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Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by kay_o »

bblb wrote: post #70
jdjdjdjdjd wrote: post #9

Kind of funny that this is like some strange new concept... Having a web server and putting your stuff on it.

The article was a lot of words just to say that. It's sad that we need this new concept of "IndieWeb", as the whole Internet evolved into a monstrosity hosted and guardrailed by a handful of megacorporations. Hosting files became a privilege, when it should've been a (human) right all along. edit: The tech to host yourself is obviously still there, but the _mindset_ changed to cloud only.

> edit: The tech to host yourself is obviously still there, but the _mindset_ changed to cloud only.

Sadly with CGNAT, port blocks, hosting any server being a terms of service violation...

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by hvb2 »

customguy wrote: post #97
masfuerte wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But physical memory is a giant flat space of contiguous addresses. Do you mean virtual memory?

How could it be? For example, each memory stick doesn't know beforehand what other memory sticks it will be used with, so the "physical" addressing of the memory on each stick has to be independent of the others, i.e. a local address, that gets mapped to a virtual one.

But that's not relevant? What would be relevant if, depending on where your bits are stored, acces time is significantly slower. If, regardless of where my data goes, my access time is constant then I do not care as a dev?

That's the abstraction I'm working with when coding. Which is necessary because in most cases this should be an implementation detail.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by krapp »

Brajeshwar wrote: post #84

Personal, but I’d rather learn and own a process. 1. Learn how you can get HTML generated from a human-readable and writer-friendly format, say, Markdown (plain-text). This can be Pandoc, a macOS/Win wrapper desktop UI over Pandoc, and many other tools that do this. 2. Learn the process (and the tools) to upload, or sync to a service that hosts the HTML (CSS+JS). 3. Learn the simple steps of owning of a domain, and u…

I have to push against this slightly.

HTML is human-readable and writer friendly. Humans - not even all of them CS students - were reading HTML,JS and CSS on websites and writing it all by hand in text editors for years before the "proper tooling" came along. It really isn't that difficult, especially if you're just dealing with simple websites, doubly so if you're on HN, you probably work with more complex languages on a regular basis.

If you really want to "learn and own a process" and be "100% independent" you should at least be able to understand and work with web languages natively.

Static site generators are nice (I use Nikola) and tools make things easier but but it's still dependency on third party tools if you don't understand or can't otherwise work with the output.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by filleduchaos »

Illniyar wrote: post #92

This is a pretty weird article/movement. The greatest hurdle is almost definitely a domain name, which if you want to own the content you have to get. Which even the cheapest would cost you around 6$ a year. (I'm ignoring the "tk" tld, which is kind of a honeypot) And you can host for a static site for free in a million places. CDNs free tiers are enough for individuals. I don't get the preoccupation with hosting you…

What part of this pretty weird article proposed hosting your own server?

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by bunbun69 »

5701652400 wrote: post #99

this would work if we had free DNS. solving DNS to be trully decentralized and free is something for years I wish I had more time to work on and build key properties: 1. everyone can be a registar. your localhost too 2. blockchain proof of ownership and discovery (certs, not proof-of-work, fast and cheap ledger) 3. everyone can be a CA (self-signed certs pinned in blockchain) 4. no fixation on static IPs (inspired by…

You can’t build your own engine outside of the EU, but you can still build on top of the existing Safari engine. What you’re describing is technically possible.

However, why would a company build something just for a handful of people?

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by 5701652400 »

bunbun69 wrote: post #105
5701652400 wrote: post #99

this would work if we had free DNS. solving DNS to be trully decentralized and free is something for years I wish I had more time to work on and build key properties: 1. everyone can be a registar. your localhost too 2. blockchain proof of ownership and discovery (certs, not proof-of-work, fast and cheap ledger) 3. everyone can be a CA (self-signed certs pinned in blockchain) 4. no fixation on static IPs (inspired by…

You can’t build your own engine outside of the EU, but you can still build on top of the existing Safari engine. What you’re describing is technically possible. However, why would a company build something just for a handful of people?

exactly.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by 5701652400 »

bunbun69 wrote: post #105
5701652400 wrote: post #99

this would work if we had free DNS. solving DNS to be trully decentralized and free is something for years I wish I had more time to work on and build key properties: 1. everyone can be a registar. your localhost too 2. blockchain proof of ownership and discovery (certs, not proof-of-work, fast and cheap ledger) 3. everyone can be a CA (self-signed certs pinned in blockchain) 4. no fixation on static IPs (inspired by…

You can’t build your own engine outside of the EU, but you can still build on top of the existing Safari engine. What you’re describing is technically possible. However, why would a company build something just for a handful of people?

if it was up to corporate monopolies (MSFT, Google, Apple) they would shut down whole web and remove other browsers from OS they control, and be gatekeepers of entire internet unless govenrment threaten them break them up or block them.. oh wait.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by latexr »

hvb2 wrote: post #100
Illniyar wrote: post #92

This is a pretty weird article/movement. The greatest hurdle is almost definitely a domain name, which if you want to own the content you have to get. Which even the cheapest would cost you around 6$ a year. (I'm ignoring the "tk" tld, which is kind of a honeypot) And you can host for a static site for free in a million places. CDNs free tiers are enough for individuals. I don't get the preoccupation with hosting you…

> I don't get the preoccupation with hosting your own server The field of software engineering is dominated by the smart people that do something not because they have to but out of curiosity. I've hired a bunch of people and I was always looking for curiosity and drive most of all. A degree doesn't help you if you don't care.

> The field of software engineering is dominated by the smart people that do something not because they have to but out of curiosity.

Emphasis mine.

We wish. I think the state of tech pretty conclusively demonstrates those people aren’t the ones who dominate. Money and power hungry tech bros do, which is why everything is shit and exploitative.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by 5701652400 »

bunbun69 wrote: post #105
5701652400 wrote: post #99

this would work if we had free DNS. solving DNS to be trully decentralized and free is something for years I wish I had more time to work on and build key properties: 1. everyone can be a registar. your localhost too 2. blockchain proof of ownership and discovery (certs, not proof-of-work, fast and cheap ledger) 3. everyone can be a CA (self-signed certs pinned in blockchain) 4. no fixation on static IPs (inspired by…

You can’t build your own engine outside of the EU, but you can still build on top of the existing Safari engine. What you’re describing is technically possible. However, why would a company build something just for a handful of people?

so the only way to make this happen is independent SWEs build their own browser. AND significant portion of users will start use it exclusively AND it survives and crashes competition from OS controlled browsers (Chrome/Safari) AND OS does not block/remove them from OS controlled app stores (which they can and regularly do, just look at "Hey" or "Brave").

you got to go full own hardware stack. now only China can reallistically pull this off.

China has own hardward stack. (actually entirety of all hardware stacks. it is all build there). China has own playstores or higly regulated versions of Apple/Google play stores.

China has mini-apps ecosystem which is more resilient to App Store whims.

and pretty much China is only place that can reallistically negotiate and push back to Google/Apple.

nobody else can stand a chance.

so free web is only possible in China pretty much. and future of free web is there.

Re: Hardcore IndieWeb: Run your own website 100% independently for only $0.01/day

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Post by nebalee »

tadasv wrote: post #34
bayindirh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering many people doesn't know what a file is, keeping the spirit alive is important, I think.

This will get worse with new generations. They grow up on tables and phones where file system is a completely foreign concept. You need an app for everything.

It's not like the preceding generations were any different, until they had to do work on a PC.
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