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NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Wild. In Netherlands (and I assume other European countries as well) there’s a regulatory norm for how spaces should be measured - what counts as liveable, non-liveable, etc. It’s so much fairer and clearer for everyone involved. https://www.nen.nl/bouw/beheer-en-onderhoud/oppervlaktebepal...

Regulations? That sounds very anti freedom.

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Wild. In Netherlands (and I assume other European countries as well) there’s a regulatory norm for how spaces should be measured - what counts as liveable, non-liveable, etc. It’s so much fairer and clearer for everyone involved. https://www.nen.nl/bouw/beheer-en-onderhoud/oppervlaktebepal...

Right? Germany too. I wouldn’t even have thought this could be a problem…

Maybe it’s different for rentals but you’d think the banks would also want accurate data on the properties they’re mortgaging…and cities for tax revenue…so strange!

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Not going to lie, I wish they also added a square footage as a legal requirement too. It is entirely baffling to me as to why, but NYC is the only major city in the US I've ever lived in where it is genuinely a problem. In all other cities, I had no issues with that, pretty much every single posting online had square footage. Meanwhile, on StreetEasy (and other platforms listing NYC rental units), looking for apartme…

> I cannot think of a logical reason to not provide that information. Because it's to an extreme degree a landlord's market and thus none of them have any incentive to do more than the bare minimum? Even if it was listed everyone would "stretch" things by including closets and the like. The only way it would work is if the city did the measurements and maintained a database...but then you'd have people bribing the in…

Why isn’t regulation and enforcement a solution? Why must the city be the ones to measure spaces?

How it works in plenty of other countries…

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Freezes rents but not taxes. Landlords take inventory offline. Studios at $5500. 1 beds at $7500. Yea, he's a real genius of his own mind.

So a landlord would rather not have income from an expensive deprecating asset?

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> Because it's to an extreme degree a landlord's market and thus none of them have any incentive to do more than the bare minimum? okay let's change that? seems bad

It's a landlord's market because there are not enough properties, if there was a larger supply the tenants would be able to make choices and defacto reject bad options. How do you change that, short of building more?

In Europe we've used regulations. There's standardised ways to measure area of an apartment/house, and it has to be included in any ads and contract of sale/rent. If the actual area doesn't match what's in the ads/contract the landlord/seller will be in trouble. I saw a news article once where the landlord,iirc, had to return all rent money to the tenant. The tenant had lived there for a while(memory is fuzzy, I think it was years, but don't quote me on that) and in the end only paid for electricity.

I hear you guys like suing eachother in the states, seems like this kind of regulation would suit you just fine!

Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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HN title is missing the operative word "secretly". The real title: > Mayor Mamdani Says Landlords Can’t Secretly Use AI Images to Advertise Properties The article contents align with the real title: you just disclose AI usage when advertising rentals.

Thanks. We’ve changed it to a more neutral title.

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I take it you are a lawyer specializing in NY real estate law, then? Would be interesting to hear a more detailed analysis if so.

I am honestly so surprised that everyone on HN is so naive that they take political statements like this at face value. Politicians routinely say they will do things they do not have the authority to do, and it's often very important to understanding what will actually happen to have some understanding of what authorities are available to them, or at the very least ask Google/LLMs about it.

Ah, so you aren’t a lawyer then.

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There is square footage on many NYC listings, but it’s wrong. They often have the square footage of the total area occupied by the apartment, including all the interior walls and columns that can take 20% of the area away.

Wild. In Netherlands (and I assume other European countries as well) there’s a regulatory norm for how spaces should be measured - what counts as liveable, non-liveable, etc. It’s so much fairer and clearer for everyone involved. https://www.nen.nl/bouw/beheer-en-onderhoud/oppervlaktebepal...

Back in the third world I remember my parents looked up the reference price per m^2 in the area and would divide the price by that to estimate the size.

Advertised amounts would be off by 20-25%. When you confronted them about it realtors would just give you the real number, I guess most people wouldn't go through the trouble so it was worth trying for them.

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The whole point of staging furniture is to help visualize and contextualize. Seeing a staged bed, couch, coffee table etc gives you a picture of how large or cramped the room is. AI furniture in contrast isn't limited by physics or reality and does not assist in showing the size of a room. It's only purpose is to deceive the viewer. AR visualizations where virtual models that are true to real world furniture is much…

Oh man I had never considered false perspective furniture for staging photos before.

Its surprisingly common, even well before the current wave of AI. People just photoshop in furniture that does not follow the correct perspective. Sometimes its very obvious, sometimes you need to look closely.

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The motivation is good, the implementation sucks. > requiring disclosure of AI-altered listings So all the landlords will just disclose it and everyone will continue to be deceived. Just like every other picture on Meta platforms these days says it is AI-edited. That didn't make the feed any better; it's still a feed full of disclosed AI crap. Why is this mayor so fucking chicken to just BAN AI-altered listings altog…

Relax. This post is wildly aggressive for no reason.

Choice of tone can communicate the same thing as 3-4 paragraphs of calmer discourse. Should we ban the use of tone? Personally I appreciated it and the frustration was palpable.
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