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Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by bulbar »

warumdarum wrote: post #12
mmoll wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about?

Lets take the average machine building company, i promise you the engineers drawing the machines sit in quiet climatized rooms. Meanwhile the "software" sits in bustling cattlefarm like largescale offices. There is no money for startups but there is money for playing startup and the various wirecards. Wha are theset the fuck is wrong with that culture, that it stopped innovating and tried to life from rent-seeking on…

Beside other reasons, one cultural difference is that Germans tend to be more risk adverse. They like just working for big companies for many years and decades, having 30-40 vacation days (aka "PTO"), good to high living standard and getting relatively much retirement money afterwards.

Generally, because Employees are protected to some degree, when you start a startup you introduce a lot uncertainty into your life.

> There is no money for startups but there is money for playing startup and the various wirecards.

Not sure what you mean by "various wirecards", you mean it's always fintech?Oftentimes it's US VC, because there's just not that much VC flying around in Europe. So I guess only well connected and few high profile startups get to receive big money - see Helsing AI as latest example.

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by GuestFAUniverse »

mbirth wrote: post #26
GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #14

An the Gestapo is a US company named Google in this case.

More like the EU and Germany’s version of the Digital Services Act. Google is just adhering to German law.

The DSA doesn't need anyone to remove valid product ratings.

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by raincom »

not_your_vase wrote: post #3

Have been wondering since a long time if there are still any real reviews on the internet, that weren't paid for by someone, something that could be trusted. I really can't remember when was the last review that turned out to be true. But while I do believe that there is a real hole in the market there, I am not sure how big that market is, if there is really a demand for real reviews - both products and services (an…

Yes, 99 percent of reviews are paid directly or indirectly. Mattress reviews are the worst offenders, as they are paid by mattress companies.

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by bell-cot »

bko wrote: post #17

this post has been flagged. Ironic

Meh. The Gestapo reference is needlessly inflammatory, and not particularly germane. Few of the comments are useful or enlightening. Google is handling the situation poorly, but "Google Handling X Poorly" ain't news on HN.

HN prefers a certain tone of discussion, and this item was reasonable flagged for being off-key.

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

oidar wrote: post #22
gmuslera wrote: post #11

All visible reactions should be positive. They also removed dislike buttons from YouTube a while ago.

> They also removed dislike buttons from YouTube a while ago. The dislike button is still there. What was changed was the dislike button no longer shows an aggregate count of dislikes. Youtube did remove the dislike button from youtube shorts like 2 months ago, probably to mirror the experience on TikTok. I think a like button is a more powerful signal for a short form content algo anyways - swiping away from a video…

The "Dislike" buttons are indeed missing in many cases today. Particularly the Shorts. There is only a stylized "Like" button (it may be a heart or something, and pressing it produces a stylized animation based on the theme of the channel.)

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by mbirth »

GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #32
mbirth wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like the EU and Germany’s version of the Digital Services Act. Google is just adhering to German law.

The DSA doesn't need anyone to remove valid product ratings.

> German law gives businesses unusually broad grounds to challenge online reviews as defamatory. Unlike defamation standards in many other jurisdictions, which typically require proof of deliberate falsehood, German law includes provisions covering what is sometimes described as "malicious gossip" - where the burden of proof shifts to the person who wrote the review. A reviewer may need to demonstrate that their account was factually accurate rather than the business proving it was false.

> According to Google's legal help documentation, businesses can simply claim they have no record of a transaction with the reviewer, and unless evidence to the contrary exists, courts have generally ordered platforms to remove the review. The documentation states that the "not-a-customer" argument is the basis for the majority of defamation removal requests Google receives in Germany.

> The structural asymmetry is significant. A business filing a defamation complaint through Google's notice-and-action mechanism faces minimal friction - the process involves completing a form and selecting the appropriate legal grounds. The reviewer, by contrast, must respond within a defined timeframe or risk losing their review by default. According to prior reporting by PPC Land, if the reviewer does not respond within the given window, the review is removed regardless of its factual accuracy.

Source: https://ppc.land/google-maps-now-shows-removed-review-counts...

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by GuestFAUniverse »

mbirth wrote: post #36
GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DSA doesn't need anyone to remove valid product ratings.

> German law gives businesses unusually broad grounds to challenge online reviews as defamatory. Unlike defamation standards in many other jurisdictions, which typically require proof of deliberate falsehood, German law includes provisions covering what is sometimes described as "malicious gossip" - where the burden of proof shifts to the person who wrote the review. A reviewer may need to demonstrate that their acco…

Ok. >99% of requests from Germany _is really bad_.

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by daft_pink »

not_your_vase wrote: post #3

Have been wondering since a long time if there are still any real reviews on the internet, that weren't paid for by someone, something that could be trusted. I really can't remember when was the last review that turned out to be true. But while I do believe that there is a real hole in the market there, I am not sure how big that market is, if there is really a demand for real reviews - both products and services (an…

I think that generally if you ignore the 5 star review and then look for a staircase pattern of 4, 3, 2 and 1 star reviews on yelp or google then that place is generally awesome. If most reviews are either 5 stars or 1 stars then the place probably sucks. It generally indicates tha legit users are giving a bad review and the company is trying to mask this by recruiting or paying for 5 star reviews. I find the histogram shape to be far more useful than the review average.

Basically businesses only pay for 5 star reviews and 1 star reviews are generally a really bad indicator so the quantity of reviewing in all other categories is the most useful and the size and scope of 1 star review in relation to non fake reviews are really useful indicators

Re: In Germany if you say a restaurant is just ok they send the gestapo after you

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Post by IAmBroom »

on_the_train wrote: post #21

Even more fun: if you say the title of this post in Germany, that's illegal. Because all comparisons with Nazis are.

I have zero problems with that.

The comparison in this exact case is dreadfully theatric and inappropriate.

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