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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Clean-room design isn’t a thing in manufacturing.

> Clean-room design isn’t a thing in manufacturing What are you basing this on? Source?!? I've personally done this in an aerospace context.

By the time you’re sawzall’ing a design it’s not a clean room process.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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FT frames this as some aggressive escalation tactic, but document retention letters are extremely standard practice. At this point they're basically a formality, as any former Apple employee at OpenAI really ought to know by now that they could get dragged into this. Hold letters can be aggressive if you send them before you've even filed a complaint, but if anything, Apple is late to the party with these.

Something similar happened to me when I left Microsoft for Apple (I moved from the Visual Studio team to the Xcode team). MS spent six months trying to prove I'd taken "industry secrets" with me. I hadn't. The entire thing felt like a personal attack and was extremely stressful. It sounds like, in this case, Apple has hard proof that documents were stolen.

I would think that is almost routine when big companies trade ICs at above a certain level. They pay for armies of lawyers which is a waste if not used. So its not about you, its about them throwing rocks at each other.

Though in this case, OpenAI may have leveled up the game a bit too much.

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He has no taste anymore. He was right once, made too much money, and lost touch with everything. Now he's a tasteless boomer.

Even that's a stretch. Without Dieter Rams Braun designs, he likely wouldn't have anything

Rams was part of a whole movement that certainly inspired Ive. But really he's come up with great original work.

Especially the fruity era that brought apple back from the brink was not Rams inspired at all. And it was pretty genius. I still see his work from that time as a retro icon in hipster coffee shops. I owned a blue iBook from that time and it was really comfortable to work on due to its smooth edges (though carrying it by its handle had a bit too much of a handbag look)

One thing I do criticise him for is that he's always been form over function. The puck mouse is one good example from that era, anyone who has used it will understand that round is not a good shape for a mouse.

But originality, yes. He was inspired sure but nobody exists in a vacuum.

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It's not the least bit true, of course.

According to Ferrari it is…

It's more complicated than that. Ferrari dealers will be told that their allocations for more desirable cars will be limited if they don't accept the Luce for their inventory. This gold-plated, diamond-encrusted, crystal-studded bullshit will roll downhill towards the dealers' customers, who will be expected to buy the turkeys in order to get the cars they really want.

So it won't be Ferrari SpA who applies the pressure, it'll be their dealers. Who, as always, are "independent businesses" over which the company has "no control."

Same thing that played out when Maserati first returned to the US market under Ferrari distribution, basically.

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Every Wall Street bank is run by guys who get that there are rules to this game and you don't squeeze the unsophisticated the same way. The same can't be said for Silicon Valleys contribution to the brokerage world.

is this a joke?

The average private banking or wealth management client gets sold things far less destructive than the Robin Hood client who is far less able to withstand it.

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> Stealing from the one company that has managed to court success makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense to get into a massive legal battle with one of the most deep-pocketed companies on the planet?

I don't think they intended for that part to happen. Once that becomes an eventuality, it is obviously no longer a good idea, but you don't get to know if you hit the jackpot before you pull that lever.

One would expect that the consequences for committing illegal acts to make money should be somewhat obvious up front and part of the calculus for whether it "makes a lot of sense"

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Among 40 ex Apple employees come on at least five or six of them probably crossed the line in their enthusiasm to get the big bucks. If it was a small number, four or five total, maybe, but not 40.

Also, Apple confronted OpenAI about LOL Liu. OpenAI’s response wasn’t to fire him, conduct an investigation and confidentially settle with Apple. It was to go cold.

Why would they fire him and settle with Apple? If they haven't done anything wrong, why settle? If he hasn't used the material at work but has some problem with his former employer, why fire him?

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It is ambiguous still at this stage though. There's no proof he used this info at his job or that he was directed to take it by anyone (he may have thought it helpful to his career in a way OpenAI never asked for or even invited).

But he stole it, no? What's ambiguous about that?

He is not OpenAI. I can steal trade secrets from my employer and get a job as a Ben and Jerry's Ice cream scooper, it doesn't mean Ben and Jerry's has stolen those secrets
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