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The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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1) The author of this post is wrong when he assumes that the driver's refused his fare solely because JFK is a location that is "out of the way". There are indeed set shift changes that the large majority of cabs in NYC adhere to, and when they do change shift they leave their "off-duty" lights on and try to get one more fare on their way back to the depot/home at the end of their shift. I don't know how many times I've been refused by a string of taxis at the shift change because I'm going in the wrong direction, even though my route is normally one with the best profit margins for them.

2) To those suggesting you get in the cab before you state your destination, the cabs that do this already know that it is harder to refuse you once you get in the cab. That is why they will leave the doors locked, roll down their window, and only partially position themselves in the stopping lane.... They are ready to veer off very quickly. When it is raining outside and you are desperately trying to catch a cab you are going to comply with this routine.

3) Also, if you do manage to enter the cab and tell them a destination that is out of the way of their return journey, they have no qualms in telling you to get out.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that Uber hasn't really brought anything new to New York other than a smartphone app. Town car services in New York City are more than plentiful and no less reliable when you call them up than when you request one through Uber. In my my experience, the town car companies I have used over the past decade have been much more reliable and quicker to service me than the few times I've tested out Uber's service. I wouldn't call Uber a disruptive service in the NYC ecosystem, just a complementary channel for requesting private town cars.

It does make me think though, why should these town car services even cut Uber into the loop? Maybe there is space for some type of PAAS for town car companies to roll out their own web and mobile based booking system?

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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From my experience, subway from Manhattan to JFK might be actually faster, let alone cheaper.

Yellow cabs have fixed fare from anywhere in NYC to any city airport. This is written on each car. This is why, probably, they tend to refuse: this is not that profitable.

Jumping in is best practice but not always possible. Cunning drivers would sometimes ask you where are you going before opening doors, though legally they don't have to, and the passenger should tell them once in the car.

/* This is another example how regulations aimed to make a service affordable result in its becoming inferior, yadda yadda*/

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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Anecdotally, having lived in NYC for a few years now, the shift change thing is real. Some time periods are just dead for a little while. If a cab is actually on shift and available, they'll have their light on and stop and pick you up without asking you where you're going. If they're at the end of their shift, they'll likely stop and ask you where you're going first (without letting you in yet) to see if you happen to be going the same direction they are. If a guy is at the end of his shift and he's based in Jersey, I can understand why he wouldn't want to commit to driving 30-45 minutes in the opposite direction. There are literally hundreds of other cabs in manhattan that would be happy to take you to JFK, and there's a high likelihood you'd be waiting only a few minutes for one of them to come by.

I think Uber's a great service, but this article seems to be trying to invent a problem that doesn't really exist. For some cities, like SF and several others in CA where taxis aren't ubiquitous, Uber makes a ton of sense. But in manhattan, I'd say 95+% of the time I'm able to find a cab in under 5 minutes, at a reasonable price, by walking to the nearest street corner.

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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I'm not entirely sure how Taxi's work in big cities, from my interaction with them I think they work based on the idea that there's always going to be x number of people in need of cabs in any area so driving around looking for patrons provides value to both people looking for a cab (cabs everywhere!) and value to the cabs (people everywhere!).

If a company like Uber takes off and eventually the uber model is delivering 50% of taxi rides, won't that harm the traditional cab market (less patrons) and in turn harm the customer experience (harder to find a taxi wherever you are) therefore requiring people to use the uber model? For example right now you could get an Uber ride in an available city easily, or you could get a traditional cab. If Uber took 80% of the market wouldn't that force you to use Uber?

Just thinking out loud and may be misunderstanding how it all works, but if my thinking is along the right lines it seems there are genuine downsides to the Uber model taking the largest market share beyond just "current taxi drivers will have to change how they work".

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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Hacker News: Criticizes cab companies for using laws to keep Uber out, then criticizes cabbies for not following the letter of the law with respect to unprofitable fares. Which is it: Do we celebrate breaking laws? Complying with them? Or do we pick and choose the laws we respect?

We're sort of interested in customer satisfaction (being customers).

If a law helps it, it should be kept. If a law prevents it, it possibly should be repealed.

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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New York has a solution for this. It's called a livery car (they're usually Lincoln Town Cars). This is especially prudent when you have a flight to catch. You call and they send someone at the appointed time. It's cheaper than Uber and the drivers are the same. Some have phone numbers you'll never forget: (212) 777-7777 and 866-666-6666.

Agreed 100%. Uber isn't adding anything disruptive to NYC, they are just adding another channel for booking town cars. In my personal experience, the town car services I've been using for over a decade that I call to book with have been faster and more reliable than my experiments with Uber.

As I mentioned in my own comment, however, this makes me wonder if there is a space for a PAAS for Town Car services to easily roll out their own web and mobile booking apps... That way they don't even need to cut Uber in at all.

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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New York has a solution for this. It's called a livery car (they're usually Lincoln Town Cars). This is especially prudent when you have a flight to catch. You call and they send someone at the appointed time. It's cheaper than Uber and the drivers are the same. Some have phone numbers you'll never forget: (212) 777-7777 and 866-666-6666.

Sometimes you can even stop a livery car that is vacant, as you would a taxi. Be prepared to pay in cash :)

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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Hacker News: Criticizes cab companies for using laws to keep Uber out, then criticizes cabbies for not following the letter of the law with respect to unprofitable fares. Which is it: Do we celebrate breaking laws? Complying with them? Or do we pick and choose the laws we respect?

Note this post never mentioned the law. It's about providing a good service vs. not.

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

#29

Hacker News: Criticizes cab companies for using laws to keep Uber out, then criticizes cabbies for not following the letter of the law with respect to unprofitable fares. Which is it: Do we celebrate breaking laws? Complying with them? Or do we pick and choose the laws we respect?

We respect people who are working to fulfil their own needs and the needs of others without coercion.

We celebrate those who abide by laws that benefit human dignity and enterprise, and oppose laws that diminish those things.

Re: The Five NYC Taxi Drivers who Refused My Fare

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New York has a solution for this. It's called a livery car (they're usually Lincoln Town Cars). This is especially prudent when you have a flight to catch. You call and they send someone at the appointed time. It's cheaper than Uber and the drivers are the same. Some have phone numbers you'll never forget: (212) 777-7777 and 866-666-6666.

Do they have mobile apps you can use to book them? Can you track their location on their way to pick you up?
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