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Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by sarchertech »

bruce511 wrote: post #428
sarchertech wrote: post #397

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US Arms exports bring in around $13 billion a year. The military industrial complex is a domestic jobs program that sells the vast majority of what it makes domestically. The US is clearly not spending a trillion dollars a year subsidizing defense in order to make their products more competitive in other markets. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/

I'm not sure I agree. In the aircraft industry especially the US has strongly pushed for exports. Overseas programs (TRS2, Avro Arrow) were terminated for political reasons (and replaced with F111 etc). More recently see F35 impact. That's before we discuss the advantage Boeing has in the commercial market thanks to DoD contracts. Your link shows that the US exports the same as the next 20 countries added together. T…

Sure the US benefits by giving arms to Ukraine, or having bases in other countries.

But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is market dominance for some industry.

>Boeing DOD contracts

This is probably the closest comparison to what China is doing. But it’s still not the same thing because the US buys equipment from Boeing, they don’t just give them direct subsidies.

The equivalent would be if China awarded Bambu a contract to provide 3d printers to schools.

To the extent that the US pursues policies that help defense companies. They don’t do it in order to help those companies compete in foreign markets. They do it because they want those companies not to go out of business for national security reasons, or because they want those companies to provide domestic jobs.

The US does other shady things, but spending massive amounts to help domestic companies outcompete foreign companies in foreign markets isn’t one of them.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by dh2022 »

kramer2718 wrote: post #172
sen wrote: post #13

I’ve owned a lot of Gopro cameras, having done video capture for a variety of motorsports, and they just got too expensive for what you get. You can be more expensive if you’re better, or you can be worse if you’re cheaper, but they’re both the downsides while living purely off brand recognition. They also blew up in a time where there wasn’t any real competition. Sony had action cameras but they were bulkier and exp…

According to a quick search, GoPro has an Enterprise Valuation of $160M. That would be chump change for a large tech company. The brand has name recognition value in excess of that figure. I suspect some big company will happily buy it but not sure who. It has to be a company that wants to get into the camera market. I don't think the brand name is as valuable to an existing camera company-though I could be wrong. Ap…

If google would buy GoPro it would close it a couple of years later

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Post by lightedman »

radiorental wrote: post #126
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #117

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It’s interesting that you mention Garmin - they’re a good example of pivoting from your original market (standalone gps units for cars) once you see a nimble competitor eating away at it (gps-enabled smartphones). Garmin would be dead if they had held fast on the standalone GPS market.

I'm not sure you are fully aware of the markets that Garmin is in. When it comes to marine, aviation and offroad, you simply cannot run a gps app on a phone. E.g. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/c/aviation/general/

"offroad, you simply cannot run a gps app on a phone"

I almost exclusively use GaiaGPS as my offroad GPS navigation app on my phone. It works perfectly fine and it has for a long time, roughly speaking 1/7th of my life.

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Post by sarchertech »

inigyou wrote: post #313
sarchertech wrote: post #226

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The US dollar being the global reserve currency makes exports more expensive though.

It basically means most of the world's currency wealth is held in the USA or backed by the USA. So the answer would be the finance sector - it's subsidized by the rest of the world.

That’s a stretch for the topic at hand. You can say hey the US does this probably morally equivalent thing, but when people are talking about subsidizing domestic companies so they can outcompete foreign companies in foreign markets, this isn’t what they’re talking about.

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Post by wisty »

adrianN wrote: post #103
Robotbeat wrote: post #89

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GoPro is a US company designed in U.S. with manufacturing in Thailand, China, and Mexico. Insta360 is a Chinese company designed in Shenzhen and built there, too. People think this doesn’t matter, but GoPros are used all over in aerospace. If we replaced the brand with Insta360, that puts a big attack vector all over the place. A similar pattern happened with drones with DJI, intentionally killing all non-Chinese dro…

If your country’s industrial and defense policy relies on individual consumers making choices that are worse for them on almost all metrics, it’s time to think about on worse payroll your politicians are.

So Trump was right to call for tariffs?

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Post by oneshtein »

coldtea wrote: post #387
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #364

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>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

> Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :) https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-... https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur... https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi... https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-... http…

Many eastern europeans who had good life in soviet block have nostalgia, however, Ukraine fights with all it power to prevent returning back to soviet block, because majority have very unpleasant memories of soviet times and dozens of millions murdered by soviets.

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Post by microtonal »

overfeed wrote: post #338
microtonal wrote: post #250

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The Coros watches are less than half the price, have 22 days of battery life in smartwatch mode (in the Nomad) and render maps extremely fast. If they added solar, they could probably also last a month (the Coros Apex 4 does 24 days, also without solar). The funniest thing is that earlier versions of the Coros even used the Garmin map format (though as many small files and not a single/small number of .img). Though t…

> The Coros watches are less than half the price, have 22 days of battery life in smartwatch mode Garmin gets almost 30% more battery life in exchange of not being as fast (30 days) > I think you can only reach Garmin's stated time if you disable a lot of functionality. Turning off always-on Pulse ox gets you there. Turning everything off except telling time gets you 2.5x the battery life (69-71 days)

My Fenix 8 only gets two weeks at most with pulse ox off. Yes, it's the AMOLED version, but I have the screen off by default (which should be similar to MIP). I got similar runtimes on my 7 Pro Solar without pulse ox.

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Post by gnabgib »

microtonal wrote: post #457
overfeed wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Coros watches are less than half the price, have 22 days of battery life in smartwatch mode Garmin gets almost 30% more battery life in exchange of not being as fast (30 days) > I think you can only reach Garmin's stated time if you disable a lot of functionality. Turning off always-on Pulse ox gets you there. Turning everything off except telling time gets you 2.5x the battery life (69-71 days)

My Fenix 8 only gets two weeks at most with pulse ox off. Yes, it's the AMOLED version, but I have the screen off by default (which should be similar to MIP). I got similar runtimes on my 7 Pro Solar without pulse ox.

Err.. my 2yo Fenix 7 Solar definitely lasts 3-4 weeks. Not AMOLED (because.. that's why), but MiP. In summer.. it can last >month. Pulse on, GPS is generally only on in solar. Screen is never off. I can obviously make it a worse UX/last longer, but I'm not sure I see the need.. even when I'm back country.
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