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NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Post by culi »

mingus88 wrote: post #16
sssilver wrote: post #12

Isn't literally every photograph taken with a modern iPhone technically an "AI-generated / AI-edited image"?

no, the photos you take with the lenses on your phone are not AI generated. They are generated from the sensors on your phone. Have you seen some of these listings? We are talking about retaining walls invented where they can’t exist, work displayed that hasn’t occurred, etc. if you show up to a property and it’s materially different than the picture that got you there, that should be illegal. If you want to make an…

iPhones use a variety of AI (though not LLM) techniques every time you take a photo. For example they use semantic segmentation where they recognize different aspects of a photo (faces, skies, skin tones, etc) and process them differently

Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Post by jibal »

wmf wrote: post #36
DangitBobby wrote: post #23

HN title is missing the operative word "secretly". The real title: > Mayor Mamdani Says Landlords Can’t Secretly Use AI Images to Advertise Properties The article contents align with the real title: you just disclose AI usage when advertising rentals.

That kind of regulation has failed over and over. The obvious outcome is that every listing will have misleading AI "photos".

Please offer proof of that obviously false claim.

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Post by LtWorf »

beambot wrote: post #20
avaer wrote: post #2

There's several other areas that would be good to categorically ban AI usage from: - gambling - dating - hiring - advertising It shouldn't even be controversial that this would be broadly good for society. I say that as an AI maximalist: I fully trust AI with these things. I do not trust the humans using the AI.

Does basic photoshop count as AI usage...? What about changing color balance, dynamic range, etc?

I'm sure soon enough dating apps will get smart and instead of the "you have no matches" they will make some fake AI matches so you have a feeling that something is happening and you have a chance of actually meeting someone.

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Post by throw03172019 »

This is a frustrating trend with real estate agents on their MLS pictures. Sure, they have a disclaimer (most of the time) but at a thumbnail size as the lead image, it’s not possible to see it’s AI. Which leads to clicking on a complete BS listing.

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Post by duskwuff »

pinnola wrote: post #7
cj wrote: post #4

I'm assuming "AI images" means realtors using AI to stage empty rooms with furniture. I'm honestly fine with that as long as it's labeled. Having just done an apartment search a few months ago, AI staged images are surprisingly good quality. It's difficult to detect it as AI when going through a bunch of listings quickly. But yea, I guess it can cause confusion if it sticks a Peloton (or whatever) in a space where it…

I just moved into a new apartment and tried using AI for layout inspiration. Every single attempt expanded the room, shrunk furniture, and even changed where walls were. Landlords should not be using tools to stage units, it's going to lead to false expectations on the size of apartments.

There are software tools made specifically for staging (and de-staging!) real estate photos. I don't know if they're using off-the-shelf image models or not, but they have capabilities like restricting changes to specific regions of the image which aren't available in services like ChatGPT.

(De-staging is a particularly neat trick - if a property still has some of the current tenant's belongings in it, an AI model can remove those items to show what the room would look like empty.)

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jrflowers wrote: post #13
avaer wrote: post #2

There's several other areas that would be good to categorically ban AI usage from: - gambling - dating - hiring - advertising It shouldn't even be controversial that this would be broadly good for society. I say that as an AI maximalist: I fully trust AI with these things. I do not trust the humans using the AI.

You trust AI with dating?

They said to ban AI usage in dating (sites, I assume)?

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Post by jockm »

coffeefirst wrote: post #26
cj wrote: post #4

I'm assuming "AI images" means realtors using AI to stage empty rooms with furniture. I'm honestly fine with that as long as it's labeled. Having just done an apartment search a few months ago, AI staged images are surprisingly good quality. It's difficult to detect it as AI when going through a bunch of listings quickly. But yea, I guess it can cause confusion if it sticks a Peloton (or whatever) in a space where it…

In the 1960s Campbells Soup got in trouble with the FTC for using marbles to raise the ingredients and make the soup look fuller than it was. This was the real standard for deceptive advertising. I dont care about simulating furniture placement specifically, but most use of AI in advertising that I see today would not be acceptable under that standard.

I would love to see that statement backed up with data. If you look at the other comments they are talking about more than just furniture
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