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Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#81

Post by zuzululu »

stanmancan wrote: post #79
zuzululu wrote: post #30

I appreciate Elixir but the problem is the job market/talent pool is tiny compared to other existing languages. If you buy into the Elixir stack then you now have constraint you could've avoided entirely by avoiding it. Also for devs there seems to be no premium offered for this talent pool scarcity. With LLMs I think language-specialists are redundant in a large scheme of things. ex) at one of my current remote jobs…

If you vibe coded an entire telecom infrastructure and an external audit found no issues then it sounds like you might need to find better auditors.

both contracts have over 10 years of experience with Elixir and one of them have written a widely used library. I think you are tad out of touch with the job market and with where agentic coding is right now.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#82

Post by zuzululu »

toast0 wrote: post #46
zuzululu wrote: post #30

I appreciate Elixir but the problem is the job market/talent pool is tiny compared to other existing languages. If you buy into the Elixir stack then you now have constraint you could've avoided entirely by avoiding it. Also for devs there seems to be no premium offered for this talent pool scarcity. With LLMs I think language-specialists are redundant in a large scheme of things. ex) at one of my current remote jobs…

> appreciate Elixir but the problem is the job market/talent pool is tiny compared to other existing languages. > I shipped an entire telecom infrastructure with barely knowing Elixir and we brought on contractors to audit the code and they found no issues. Erlang/Elixir experience is rare, because it's not widely used and the teams are small. It's not worth trying to hire for it. Hire for people who can figure it ou…

as a SWE this is not a good sign. it means the job market is slowly transitioning into temp work like economics. The value I got out of the Elixir contractors was immense since it not only proved that we can get a huge bulk of the work done without specialists and use them on demand for audit for a few months before AI this would've been not been possible.

normal market dynamics suggest scarcity demand premiums but this is not the case with software developers it seems.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#83

Post by moomoo11 »

madibo3156 wrote: post #37
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #27

There’s no obvious way to switch to normal (aka “light”) mode. Dark mode is very difficult for some people (me included) to read. If you must default to dark mode that’s your choice but I’d love to see a light mode toggle somewhere prominent.

Yeah. You'll notice that there's a mix of light and dark. Some segments are light-on-dark, then it switches to dark-on-light. It appears to me like a "design trend" that's at odds with accessibility. https://www.apple.com does this too.

i along with 99% of people don’t mind it

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#84

Post by ch4s3 »

josevalim wrote: post #16
ModernMech wrote: post #10

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The Software Mansion folks designed it and we actually iterated on the designs on Figma, having discussions as humans, and exploring alternatives. They were lovely to work with. I also worked on all of the copy myself, collecting feedback from core maintainers as I went. The new tagline was a suggestion from Theo which we iterated on. I did use LLMs as an assistant, but I did not ask it to generate the content. Might…

Ignore the haters, it looks very good.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#85

Post by stanmancan »

zuzululu wrote: post #81
stanmancan wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you vibe coded an entire telecom infrastructure and an external audit found no issues then it sounds like you might need to find better auditors.

both contracts have over 10 years of experience with Elixir and one of them have written a widely used library. I think you are tad out of touch with the job market and with where agentic coding is right now.

Possibly, but I’m a senior software engineer that’s been writing Elixir for the last 5 years and has been experimenting with and using AI for the last 12-18 months.

Congrats on being one of the mythical developers that manages to get AI to write perfect code consistently!

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#86

Post by recursivegirth »

moomoo11 wrote: post #83
madibo3156 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. You'll notice that there's a mix of light and dark. Some segments are light-on-dark, then it switches to dark-on-light. It appears to me like a "design trend" that's at odds with accessibility. https://www.apple.com does this too.

i along with 99% of people don’t mind it

This, plus there is research that suggests dark mode does not help with retention of information.[1] I have started to slowly transition back to light mode for most of my work applications. (Email, Coding, etc.)

Dark mode feels correct, but it is hostile. Now blue light on the other hand... you should get filters for your monitor/glasses.

[1] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/dark-mode/

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#87

Post by loloquwowndueo »

moomoo11 wrote: post #83
madibo3156 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. You'll notice that there's a mix of light and dark. Some segments are light-on-dark, then it switches to dark-on-light. It appears to me like a "design trend" that's at odds with accessibility. https://www.apple.com does this too.

i along with 99% of people don’t mind it

99% of people? Citation needed.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#89

Post by zuzululu »

stanmancan wrote: post #85
zuzululu wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both contracts have over 10 years of experience with Elixir and one of them have written a widely used library. I think you are tad out of touch with the job market and with where agentic coding is right now.

Possibly, but I’m a senior software engineer that’s been writing Elixir for the last 5 years and has been experimenting with and using AI for the last 12-18 months. Congrats on being one of the mythical developers that manages to get AI to write perfect code consistently!

there's nothing mythical about it

if you treat it like any architecture then there's all sorts of techniques and knobs to produce consistent output

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

#90

Post by toast0 »

zuzululu wrote: post #82
toast0 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> appreciate Elixir but the problem is the job market/talent pool is tiny compared to other existing languages. > I shipped an entire telecom infrastructure with barely knowing Elixir and we brought on contractors to audit the code and they found no issues. Erlang/Elixir experience is rare, because it's not widely used and the teams are small. It's not worth trying to hire for it. Hire for people who can figure it ou…

as a SWE this is not a good sign. it means the job market is slowly transitioning into temp work like economics. The value I got out of the Elixir contractors was immense since it not only proved that we can get a huge bulk of the work done without specialists and use them on demand for audit for a few months before AI this would've been not been possible. normal market dynamics suggest scarcity demand premiums but t…

Well,

a) did you pay your Elixir contractors more than you would pay a Java contractor for similar work?

but also...

b) scarcity isn't the only factor in price. Erlang/Elixir developers are scarce, but Erlang/Elixir jobs are also scarce. You need both demand and scarcity to raise prices. Also, it doesn't cost much to turn a willing, good developer into an Erlang/Elixir developer; substitute goods reduce the impact of scarcity.

also c) if you found contractors, but not employees, maybe you weren't willing to pay enough... So maybe the price is higher than you thought?

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