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Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by layer8 »

simianwords wrote: post #89
layer8 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is whether the balance of white-hat and black-hat LLM bug findings gives us a different enough result from the previous balance of white-hat and black-hat human bug findings to constitute a major disruption.

I don't understand your point. How do you make your future code resistant to bugs without LLMs?

That wasn’t the question. The question is how LLM code review is a huge disruptor. What is it disrupting? At best, with regard to code review LLMs just solve the problems that LLMs create.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by logifail »

Barrin92 wrote: post #95
logifail wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A sensible regulator would leave some responsibility to the parents (Speaking as a parent of three) why can't we just leave all responsibility to the parents? In our experience in the offline world it seems this applies! I speak as someone who's taken each of my three children - for two of them, multiple times - to the emergency room to be treated for broken bones incurred in the course of Real Life[tm]. Yes, they…

>why can't we just leave all responsibility to the parents? because we don't live in a 15th century peasant village. The average adult reads at a 7th grade level, 20% of adults are considered functionally illiterate, most adults can't navigate digital spaces, privacy and social media themselves or take on trillion dollar companies. This also hasn't applied in the offline world since idk, Kant and Hegel, every modern…

> If your children have broken bones you can't explain [..]

I don't mean to be combative about this but

1) do you have children and 2) if yes, how many times have you taken your child to hospital with a broken bone

I have (unfortunately) got a certain amount of experience with this, and I'm not sure it works the way the uninitiated may think it does.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by sfRattan »

r_lee wrote: post #56

> my personal guess is that the opportunities for anonymity on the Internet will shrink until mothers no longer are forced to have “the talk” when their daughters get their first mobile phone. As the parent of a daughter, I am totally on board with that. depends on the age but.. they've probably discovered all kinds of shit already or heard about it from others

The attitute expressed in the quote, "until mothers no longer are forced to have 'the talk' when their daughters get their first mobile phone," is both wrong in its assumptions and dangerous for its well-known consequence: the enabling of petty tyranny. Forced, indeed.

There will never be a world populated by humans in which you do not need to have numerous talks with your children about the nature of humans, especially humans they do not know and cannot trust, and about the technology those other humans know how to use. Saying you are forced to do so on account of some particular new technology is like saying you are forced to provision food for yourself on account of this newfangled capitalist system... As if needing to provision food for oneself were not a state of affairs dating back to the dawn of cellular life. And as if the uglier parts of human nature emerge from the smartphone and do not in fact date back to the dawn of humanity as a species.

Demanding everyone on the Internet show their papers to the government so that the author can hand their teenage daughter a free, always-networked pocket computer plus microphone and video camera without having to think about any related risks is an attitude repugnant for its laziness, its entitlement, its delusion, and most of all its contempt for the freedoms of others.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by amlib »

layer8 wrote: post #68
dgellow wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s talking about storage required for the weights. Not actually running the model. A large model like Kimi 3 should be something like, 1-2TB? That’s a pocket size hard drive

There are even 2 TB USB thumb drives.

It would even be common for phones to have 2 or more TB integrated had we not been co-opted to move all our data into the cloud.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by leftyspook »

andix wrote: post #23

I don't think age restriction will impact FOSS in the long term. If there are some regulations that threaten FOSS now, they are going to be adopted in the long term. Regulations for age restriction are understandable. A lot of modern technology is harming kids (and I don't mean dirty videos, social media seems to be much more harmful). A sensible regulator would leave some responsibility to the parents, but require r…

The sensible regulation would be aiming at socially harmful features of tech, not forcing people to provide proof of identity to a third party in order to continue harming themselves with the same exact features.

Imagine if such an approach was taken to, for example, food safety? Instead of closing down a restaurant that has poor hygiene, you'd be instead horce the restaurant to hire a private security contractor to check people's IDs to verify that they are old enough to consent to getting a foodborne illness. That's an absurd approach.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by sneak »

> Right now, there is a LOT of shrill propaganda from the tech bros, who call themselves “privacy advocates,” about how mandatory age checking is the gateway drug to comprehensive identity checks on the entire Internet, and ridiculing the valid civic concerns governments are trying to address as merely “think of the children” strawman arguments.

Oh, it’s not a slippery slope. It’s a single step: age verification IS identity verification, and it abolishes anonymous publishing on the internet, allowing on day one for violent retaliation against political speech.

If you think that authoritarian governments won’t be abusing this instantly, you are sorely ignorant of history.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by bothers »

throw0101a wrote: post #61

For those unaware, PHK created (amongst other things) the MD5crypt password hashing algorithm ( $1$… ). It came before bcrypt (1999), scrypt (2009), SHA2crypt (2016), etc , and was committed in 1994: * https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/lib/libcrypt/crypt.c?re... * https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/3b2b7f71deba2a... * https://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/md5crypt/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poul-Henning_Ka…

Okay.

What qualifications does phk have that are relevant to the current subject?

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by skybrian »

andix wrote: post #23

I don't think age restriction will impact FOSS in the long term. If there are some regulations that threaten FOSS now, they are going to be adopted in the long term. Regulations for age restriction are understandable. A lot of modern technology is harming kids (and I don't mean dirty videos, social media seems to be much more harmful). A sensible regulator would leave some responsibility to the parents, but require r…

I think a reasonable way to divide up responsibilities would be identify child-locked devices, not people. It should be trivial for a website to identify a device with a child lock turned on. Then it's up to parents to make sure their kids get a child-locked device. Manufacturers can make it easy to turn on, and society can help by not selling devices to kids without a child lock turned on.

It won't work against a determined teen (too many unlocked devices out there), but it doesn't have to work perfectly to change the culture that most kids have to deal with.

Re: Goodbye, and Thanks for All the Bikesheds

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Post by encomiast »

red_admiral wrote: post #33

The whole age verification thing is being pushed by one "techbro", because he wants others to deal with cleaning up his mess.

There's another misdirection here as well. Much of this mess doesn't just affect children. It's really pretty bad for everyone.
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