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The Kimi K3 Moment

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Re: The Kimi K3 Moment

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considering token efficiency as well I presume?

I'm struggling to decide whether I feel comfortable sending my data to these Chinese models

It's actually less likely for china to abuse your data in a way that is harmful towards you than for american labs to do the same. Claude has attempted in testing to report you for 'unethical' usage to 3 letter agencies.

Re: The Kimi K3 Moment

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This was always where this was heading, but we got here much faster than expected.

Once western governments declare it to be a "national security" risk for citizens to have access to open-weight frontier models, and once they classify using these models as acts of terrorism, what will that world be like?

Will using Kimi K3 come to be like how napster was in the olden days? Everybody knew it was technically illegal, but come on -- any track at your fingertips? But surveillance is quite more evolved now.

Or it will be like cannabis, where a guy in the neighborhood will low key rent you metered access to the 8x5090 rig in his basement he cobbled together from parts on ebay? Or everyone will flock to VPNs?

Or will the oppressors actually succeed? The same way that napster is long gone, and everyone accepts that they must pay spotify for a homogenized collection, where artists must take only a minuscule cut (more than napster though)... We'll be stuck with nerfed Cohere or Mistral models for open-weight options, as if they need more lobotomizing. Or else we can pay through the nose for Anthropic/OpenAI for "American Frontier" models which will fall increasingly far behind China.

Or else, like how Kindle Fire was subsidized by ads, we'll have "Kindle AI" where influence is sold to the highest bidder, where the LLM will tell us that smoking is actually healthy if big tobacco can engineer its renaissance by turning its lobbying dollars to pay-to-play, pumping its propaganda into the training pipeline for Amazon's extra commercialized line of ultra budget LLMs.

Re: The Kimi K3 Moment

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I'm struggling to decide whether I feel comfortable sending my data to these Chinese models

It's actually less likely for china to abuse your data in a way that is harmful towards you than for american labs to do the same. Claude has attempted in testing to report you for 'unethical' usage to 3 letter agencies.

How do we know that Chinese models would not do the same? What makes you so sure that China is less likely to abuse my data?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually less likely for china to abuse your data in a way that is harmful towards you than for american labs to do the same. Claude has attempted in testing to report you for 'unethical' usage to 3 letter agencies.

How do we know that Chinese models would not do the same? What makes you so sure that China is less likely to abuse my data?

It’s not that the Chinese firms are any less likely to misuse your data, it’s that you don’t live in china, so their abuse of your data is unlikely to directly impact your day-to-day life in the same way

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually less likely for china to abuse your data in a way that is harmful towards you than for american labs to do the same. Claude has attempted in testing to report you for 'unethical' usage to 3 letter agencies.

How do we know that Chinese models would not do the same? What makes you so sure that China is less likely to abuse my data?

There's just really no incentive all they really want is just to train on that data to improve performance which in turn actually benefits your usecase since it becomes trained on that data and made available back to you. American labs take that data anyway and store it for years to possibly report you for misuse in the future for whatever reason they want. For example: you're very critical of X so they pull up your conversations and weaponize it.

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considering token efficiency as well I presume?

I'm struggling to decide whether I feel comfortable sending my data to these Chinese models

For open weight models, you can choose from a few providers. Each have their own caveats, none of ToS'/Privacy Policies I entirely trust, nor do many make renewable energy claims.

Re: The Kimi K3 Moment

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> I’ve been running Kimi K3 alongside Claude on my normal coding work, and for all practical purposes I can’t tell them apart When you say "Claude", do you mean Opus? Fable? What effort level?

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Re: The Kimi K3 Moment

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> I’ve been running Kimi K3 alongside Claude on my normal coding work, and for all practical purposes I can’t tell them apart When you say "Claude", do you mean Opus? Fable? What effort level?

This line made me think by 'normal coding work' the author means doing something they don't understand well enough to be able to distinguish the models' output.
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