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Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by dnautics »

ch4s3 wrote: post #7
alberth wrote: post #5

Elixir is great. OT: I wish more funding & development effort went into BEAM itself on making it more performant. Note: I’m not talking concurrency. I’m talking pure raw performance. Seems like it’s been a one person show for over a decade on making it faster.

It’s pretty hard to make things like math faster for real world use cases in a bytecode interpreter.

i ran a quick experiment where instead of doing boxing the way its done in the beam currently, i used a different boxing (NaN strategy and there was a 10x speedup

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by dnautics »

zuzululu wrote: post #30

I appreciate Elixir but the problem is the job market/talent pool is tiny compared to other existing languages. If you buy into the Elixir stack then you now have constraint you could've avoided entirely by avoiding it. Also for devs there seems to be no premium offered for this talent pool scarcity. With LLMs I think language-specialists are redundant in a large scheme of things. ex) at one of my current remote jobs…

i hired a biologist (for my pharma startup) and she produced feature ideas for our internal stack and was guiding claude to write idiomatic code with feedback from my reviews with no coding experience. realistically if you want to start an elixir company today you need one consciencious senior that likes code review and any number of juniors with minimal competency and sufficient curiosity.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by dnautics »

phplovesong wrote: post #25

I guess elixir is a nice lang for the niche of erlang. But its dynamic (the "type system" is really meh at best) its not suited for real world use. If i go full dynamic, why not use pure erlang instead?

> not suited for real world use.

I hope you don't use discord or rely on pagerduty.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by josevalim »

swingboy wrote: post #54

On the first syntax example: there’s something funny to me about using three pipe operator and four different functions to turn “hello world” into “Hello World”.

That's a good point. It is meant to be an introductory example but I will see if I can come up with something else! Thanks!

EDIT: shipped!

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by josevalim »

pests wrote: post #29
ModernMech wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame then that despite all that, they landed on the same design used by every "I asked an LLM to make me a language and a website this weekend here's what it spit out" project. I mean, I'm not saying it looks bad or is a bad result. Just it's very similar to other things that have put in much less effort.

"Human produces output similar to a machine trained on all human output"

It is funny (and perhaps a bit depressing) that LLMs were trained on our content and now, if we generate a similar structure as before, with the usual love and care, we will be criticized by it. Even when it does not "look bad or is a bad result".

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by nozzlegear »

eikenberry wrote: post #45
sph wrote: post #22

No mention of AI and LLM in the front page. Life is good.

They have a Machine Learning section on the front page. Just have to scroll down a bit, under the "Use Elixir for" section.

I don't think Machine Learning falls under what most people consider "AI" and "LLM" these days, even if they're technically intertwined.

Re: Elixir-lang.org has a new design

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Post by Jtsummers »

nozzlegear wrote: post #58
eikenberry wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a Machine Learning section on the front page. Just have to scroll down a bit, under the "Use Elixir for" section.

I don't think Machine Learning falls under what most people consider "AI" and "LLM" these days, even if they're technically intertwined.

How is LLM (a particular area of machine learning) not machine learning? Have people already forgotten the basis for LLMs?
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