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EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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Post by palata »

flowerbreeze wrote: post #68
josephcsible wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure?

It seems plausible. Less common sizes have a lower chance of being sold out, so if they can no longer be destroyed at the end and need to be further managed at lower quantities, it can become more cost effective to simply not make them. Whether it is true or not, I don't know.

Hmm... say you estimate that you will sell 1000 items of "normal size", you stock 1000 items, and hope that you sell all of them. You end up selling 900, you have a remaining 10%.

No say you estimate that you will sell 10 items of "less common size", you stock 10 items, and hope that you sell all of them. You end up selling 9, you have a remaining 10%.

How does that make a difference?

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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Post by no-name-here »

tacomagick wrote: post #90
okr wrote: post #86

So i buy from my own money fabrics, machines and also i pay handy people to make clothes out of it. I can not sell them all. My Risk. And as an additional punishment i lose the right to do whatever i want with my own property? Mad world.

So I buy my own factory and produce my own pollutants and I dont have the right to do whatever I want with them, mad world.

And per OP article:

1. This only applies to companies above a certain size.

2. Hundreds of thousands of tonnes of textiles are destroyed each year in the EU before use.

3. In Germany alone, companies destroy tens of millions of garments per year under just one of the existing justifications for destroying garments before use.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#104

Post by b112 »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #98
mikaeluman wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Rather than deal with it, there will just be some shell company in non EU they can export to and have it destroyed there... Though that will obviously incur a larger cost than today.

Transportation would be costly, but it could be that in whole it would be much cheaper than discarding them in let’s say in Germany. I can imagine the price to destroy 1kg of clothes in Serbia way less than in Germany

What typically happens is that people buy up these clothes in massive auction/lots, then just sell them on Amazon. As Amazon joins all listings together, 100 sellers of the same item all have the same reviews/etc.

So some slightly damaged shirt, or a shirt returned and such, ends up sold by these secondary sellers as new. This is part of why people destroy clothes upon return, so that secondary sellers can't buy their own returned product at $1, and sell it making more than the original seller would have.

Not to mention, all returns I've been noticing, resold from Amazon, are heavily treated now with some sort of spray. I can only presume bedbugs were getting returned with used clothing...

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#105

Post by toast0 »

josephcsible wrote: post #88
toast0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your minimum run is 1000 of a size, and you can only really sell 500 because it's an uncommon size, and you would prefer to sell at full price or not at all, seems like making that size no longer fits your plans.

But clothes aren't perishable, so why would you only be able to sell 500, rather than it just taking twice as long to sell all 1000?

Fashionable clothes are perishable. "Nobody" wants to buy clothes from last season or last year.

Storing the clothes until they come back in fashion is expensive... and some materials really won't be useful after sitting for 10 years anyway. (Elastic bands really are perishable)

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#106

Post by palata »

binaryturtle wrote: post #83
watermelon0 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to only produce 500 items, instead of producing 1k, and throwing half of it away?

Many years ago I worked in the printing industry. F.ex. a client wants 100 products of something (e.g. posters or flyers), usually it was more cost effective to produce a 1000 (or more) and then throw away 900 the client didn't need. Obviously a huge waste of material.

Isn't that law exactly trying to avoid that kind of waste?

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#107

Post by palata »

Saline9515 wrote: post #27

It looks like a great opportunity for mafia networks to get paid by clothing brands in order to dispose of the stocks.

I mean at this point they may as well have a deal to let the mafia steal cars in the parking lot and share the benefits...

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#108

Post by atrus »

josephcsible wrote: post #88
toast0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your minimum run is 1000 of a size, and you can only really sell 500 because it's an uncommon size, and you would prefer to sell at full price or not at all, seems like making that size no longer fits your plans.

But clothes aren't perishable, so why would you only be able to sell 500, rather than it just taking twice as long to sell all 1000?

Because it won't take twice as long, but 10x as long. There's typically a large rush on a new design, followed by a slow tick in sales. Meanwhile you have to pay to warehouse it, pay tax on the inventory, etc.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#109

Post by sajithdilshan »

b112 wrote: post #104
sajithdilshan wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transportation would be costly, but it could be that in whole it would be much cheaper than discarding them in let’s say in Germany. I can imagine the price to destroy 1kg of clothes in Serbia way less than in Germany

What typically happens is that people buy up these clothes in massive auction/lots, then just sell them on Amazon. As Amazon joins all listings together, 100 sellers of the same item all have the same reviews/etc. So some slightly damaged shirt, or a shirt returned and such, ends up sold by these secondary sellers as new. This is part of why people destroy clothes upon return, so that secondary sellers can't buy thei…

I don’t think m that’s happening in EU. Most of the clothes I see on Amazon are the same as I find on Temu. Only the prices are higher on Amazon

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#110

Post by OptionOfT »

nullorempty wrote: post #102

They should really follow up with a similar policy on food. At a nearby whole foods a large portion of produce goes to waste. It's heartbreaking to see.

This is already the case in France since I believe 2016.

There's was uptick around this story 4 months ago, so I'm not sure if those were bots resurfacing it or whether something changed in the law.

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