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EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#41
What I admire the most about this is that already months before passing this law, all the members of the European Commission signed a document that they as individuals will not purchase any new or expensive clothes during their time in office, as an act of solidarity and to show they also take their individual responsibility to reduce waste.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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This isn't really surprising in a low margin industry. If you are making a 2% margin on the average perfume bottle, and then you liquidate it at -3% because it's cheaper than destroying it, you can accidentally end up anchoring customer perceptions on a price with like a -1% margin which actually will destroy the business over time. High margin industries get more complicated to model, of course.

Perfume? Low-margin? Getting hits ranging between 50% and 85% depending on how luxury the brand is considered to be...

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Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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some places already do this for food where anything thats after sell by date but still safe to eat has to be donated to a food bank. i think it should be expanded to cover more categories than food and clothes when reuse and recycling infra grows to take the demand. its not just good for the environment it also prevents producers from restricting supply to keep their profits high. the ultimate goal is make it illegal…

Who pays for the logistics cost of moving and stocking these products in discount stores and giveaway centers? That is a large percentage of the total cost of production and the reason disposal is cheaper.

If those costs are paid for by taxpayers then the consumers are in effect involuntarily buying products they would not have otherwise bought, just with more steps. We already see this with agricultural subsidies.

If those costs are charged back to the producer then it becomes economically optimal to under-produce, which will cause prices to rise and risk shortages but eliminate waste. One can make the argument that higher prices for basic goods to reduce waste is a social good but it also impoverishes consumers.

All of these scenarios have happened empirically countless times. That almost every producer over-produces to some extent at no profit to themselves when allowed has strong "Chesterton's Fence" characteristics.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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That can be penalised too. We really have to get away from the idea that curtailing intentional industrial waste production is futile. Perhaps in American style capitalism it is because the system is rigged and the biggest money bag always wins. But we don't want this here at all. We have to get forward as humanity and treat our planet with respect. Otherwise we won't have one worth living on. Making money isn't the…

I agree we should, but that does not mean that a particular regulation is the right way to do it. Its very hard to close loopholes and exploitation of exemptions.

1. Come up with a regulation idea

2. do a bunch of studies to validate it

3. go through a pretty complicated, comprehensive, pretty long review process to debate and make it work within the existing regulatory system

4. eventually implement it

5. measure its impact

6. adapt or revoke according to the results

We are at the 4th step. Why would you assume your concerns haven’t been already taken in account in all the previous steps? It’s all public, you can look for the reasoning and justification

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#47
Industrial production would far exceed the needs of people in the target markets. Supply chains are also highly streamlined. Some amazon boxes would go to dump unopened, after delivering to customer.

The state of perishable goods is much worse. A lot is dumped in food and short shelf-life items. Nothing can be done here. This is not even a brand issue.

Do not give license to industrial production or imports that far exceeds the needs of people in that region.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

#48
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Is this a problem in the EU? I often think in terms of home remodels that a family might do at least once. Those can easily fill a dumpster with tons of garbage. That's much more waste than a family could ever generate directly or indirectly in clothing.

it's a pretty big _international_ problem

basically

- company cheap mass produces clothes/shoes

- new session (1/4 year) comes in (at beast)// it's fast fashion and there is a new trend (at worst)

- the "old" clothes are sold with rabatt but either before the session end or limited to clothes already shipped to stores

- this leaves a ton of clothes not shipped to physical shops and not sold in time

- selling them very strongly discounted means they compete with the new batch of different clothes, not discounting them means they might block up store space (physical store) or storage space (online shop, storage cost at scale shouldn't be underestimated, especially if some clothes just don't sell)

- so companies just destroy the unsold clothes _and write the production cost off as loss_. Turns out destroying + write off is more profitable then gifting or discounting... :(

- this is especially true for brand-clothes. They are often produced for a fraction of sales price and don't want to see their stuff being sold for more then a small discount. For some of this brand clothes their values outright lies more in "you needed to pay a bunch for it" then it "being high quality" (beyond a certain baseline of quality).

now the relevant question: Will this prevent companies from finding loopholes to still trash their clothes, especially brand clothes?

Yes it won't prevent it. But it increases the cost/complexity of it so it will likely reduce it by quite a bit. But some big next "" scandal is basically just a question of time.

Still overall it looks like it will be beneficial from a wast, environment and climate POV while harming (way too) fast fashion which is good as fast fashion is harmful for all the previous points, laborer treatment, cloth quality and some others.

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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post #47

Industrial production would far exceed the needs of people in the target markets. Supply chains are also highly streamlined. Some amazon boxes would go to dump unopened, after delivering to customer. The state of perishable goods is much worse. A lot is dumped in food and short shelf-life items. Nothing can be done here. This is not even a brand issue. Do not give license to industrial production or imports that far…

> The state of perishable goods is much worse. A lot is dumped in food and short shelf-life items. Nothing can be done here.

That’s already regulated in multiple countries

Re: EU ban on destruction of unsold clothes and shoes enters into application

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post #8

Is this a problem in the EU? I often think in terms of home remodels that a family might do at least once. Those can easily fill a dumpster with tons of garbage. That's much more waste than a family could ever generate directly or indirectly in clothing.

This law doesn't apply to individual consumers, only manufactures and retail stores.
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