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Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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congratulation! i first time know this. and i am curious what RC is like for remote participant? also, i would like to apply!

The Recurse website has a page that describes the remote experience - https://www.recurse.com/virtual-rc

I've also attended RC remotely, so happy to answer any specific questions

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the ninja edits. Writing from phone and didn't think there'd be people replying right away. Seems like we're in agreement. But I reiterate that it's not a good rule if it should be regularly broken, for the good. Thus, for a project that's been around for seemingly a very long time, it's hard to imagine that they haven't had ample time and feedback to vastly improve the wording of it all. Thus, they seem to…

I don't think that the rule should regularly be broken. That's not what they say, and it's not what they mean. The strongest interpretation is: err on the side of not acting surprised at people's questions, because it tends to put people off asking them. I do think you're simply reading their rule in a way that's not intended by them. Could the rule be written to convey the intent more clearly? Yes, I think so. Is it…

Agreed - the rule does not say, nor do they mean that the rule should be broken regularly. I was saying that because it is true, because it's not a good rule as written.

Once again, I'm reading (and quoting!) the rules exactly as wrttien by them.

> it doesn’t matter whether they’re pretending to be surprised or actually surprised

Moreover, like the sibling to this comment, I take exception to the entire document but didn't bother to expound on the rest.

Another particularly concerning excerpt

> You should not be afraid of breaking a social rule. These are things that everyone does, and breaking one doesn’t make you a bad person. If someone says, "hey, you just feigned surprise," or "that’s subtly sexist," don’t worry. Just apologize, reflect for a second, and move on.

Once again, no room for nuance, discussion etc. If someone concludes that you've broken a rule, shut up and apologize. Don't dare ask how/why, let alone disagree and try to start a discussion about the topic.

This is an environment in which professional victims/sociopaths could thrive. I've been baselessly accused many times of racism and sexism in places like this, which is not only laughable if you knew the context, but the other parties are the ones who weaponize their false victimhood in order to be sexist and racist (and corrupt).

It may very well be a wonderful environment there. But the rules, as written, seem like they're better suited to some sort of trauma-recovery facility, where everyone is enormously fragile and it is therefore extremely prudent to err egregiously on the side of "safety". But that, of course, is by definition not a healthy environment.

Once again, it would be simple to re-write or, perhaps better, replace the rules such that you don't need such ambiguity, nuance, explanations, debate etc... I already did it for one. Another such modification would just be a simple "no politics or religion" rule, which is common in hostels worldwide. Instead the opt-in rule for such topics just invites a mess.

They evidently want the rules to be as they are at this point.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that the rule should regularly be broken. That's not what they say, and it's not what they mean. The strongest interpretation is: err on the side of not acting surprised at people's questions, because it tends to put people off asking them. I do think you're simply reading their rule in a way that's not intended by them. Could the rule be written to convey the intent more clearly? Yes, I think so. Is it…

> I do think you're simply reading their rule in a way that's not intended by them. I share a similar apprehension, although it's hard to put into words exactly. Across the entire document, really. Like, it's clearly well intended, and not too bad of a match for things I would advocate myself. But at the same time it's suggestive of an impossibly high standard, and I have trauma from seeing "standards that can be int…

Yes, agreed. The document is dripping with red flags - I only called out the surprise rule, but could have criticized the rest.

It may very well be a wonderful environment there, but I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if people get accused of improper behaviour that either didn't even happen, or the vast majority of the world would be perfectly in support of.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Thanks Nick and Sonali (and Dave, though I didn’t meet you),

I did RC last year and it was easily one of the Most influential periods of my life! I can‘t find words to do my gratitude justice for the work you‘re doing.

Best wishes and Happy Birthday RC

— max, Sp2 25

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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I like the definition of social rules [0]. I also wonder whether the roof rule was written preemptively or retrospectively -- I hope the former. I have my own thanks to give to HN. It's connected me to interesting people, online and IRL. It's led to some very strong friendships. It's led me to multiple job opportunities, and usually the better ones. It's changing of course, but I've had a great time in this community…

I'm surprised by the "you are not allowed to be surprised, ever" rule. It puts me off of recurse entirely. I shouldn't even need to explain why as it should be self-evident that policing/banning a completely natural and sometimes highly beneficial emotion/reaction is beyond problematic. It seems like an XY problem - they implemented it to solve a genuine problem, without understanding the problem. Like, the canonical…

> 2. Thrilled to be able to introduce someone to something new. She might follow that question up with "oh come on over here, let me show you! This will change your life." and proceed to try to teach terminal stuff. Isn't this the best sort of teacher, someone who is infectiously passionate about something?

I wouldn't expect an infectiously passionate person to start their sentence with "wait you don't know this" and instead say "let me show you!" immediately.

This rule helps me differentiate between people who are genuinely trying to help v/s those who's primary motive is to show off and then maybe help.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Can you tell us what why "OkCupid for jobs" failed? I run a problem validation platform and 'OkCupid for jobs'[1] is consistently the most visited need-gap in the platform. Congratulations on 15 years of Recurse Center! [1] https://needgap.com/problems/363?gift=Z2lmdHwzNjN8MTc4NDQ1Mz... (gift pass link valid for 24 hours).

Not OP, but I was an early employee at a startup that pivoted into this market. The short answer is that you need to do what large-scale enterprise customers want you to do (because that's where the money is). To do that, you need a predictable pipeline that delivers X applications for Y money. One way to achieve that is to get into managing traffic from the big job boards. What we did in the early days was figure ou…

I appreciate the comment. It's like jobseekers want OkCupid for jobs but the employers are not really interested in such a thing.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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I like the definition of social rules [0]. I also wonder whether the roof rule was written preemptively or retrospectively -- I hope the former. I have my own thanks to give to HN. It's connected me to interesting people, online and IRL. It's led to some very strong friendships. It's led me to multiple job opportunities, and usually the better ones. It's changing of course, but I've had a great time in this community…

I'm surprised by the "you are not allowed to be surprised, ever" rule. It puts me off of recurse entirely. I shouldn't even need to explain why as it should be self-evident that policing/banning a completely natural and sometimes highly beneficial emotion/reaction is beyond problematic. It seems like an XY problem - they implemented it to solve a genuine problem, without understanding the problem. Like, the canonical…

I think there are some situations where Carol's response would be appropriate, and some where it would not.

In general, I get your comment though. Coding is getting more and more like this.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Can you tell us what why "OkCupid for jobs" failed? I run a problem validation platform and 'OkCupid for jobs'[1] is consistently the most visited need-gap in the platform. Congratulations on 15 years of Recurse Center! [1] https://needgap.com/problems/363?gift=Z2lmdHwzNjN8MTc4NDQ1Mz... (gift pass link valid for 24 hours).

Beats me what it's become, but OkCupid at the outset and probably still by 2010 was about estimating compatibility based on the results of quizzes taken by both parties. To improve results beyond OkCupid's built-in romantic personality types, you could submit your own quizzes or general questions, with results expected to get better the more questions in common both parties had answered. I don't completely remember,…

I agree, sounds like it will be just a vanity and won't solve any real problem. I appreciate the comment.

Re: Thanks HN for 15 years of support and helping me find my life's work

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Can you tell us what why "OkCupid for jobs" failed? I run a problem validation platform and 'OkCupid for jobs'[1] is consistently the most visited need-gap in the platform. Congratulations on 15 years of Recurse Center! [1] https://needgap.com/problems/363?gift=Z2lmdHwzNjN8MTc4NDQ1Mz... (gift pass link valid for 24 hours).

At the time, the job market was quite different. But even now, I would assume it is very difficult to get good information to do this, similary as it is difficult to have people fill out accurate dating profiles. Both the company as well as applicants have at least a partial incentive to not be truthful, omit some things, or just write what they think they are like, as opposed to what it is really like.
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