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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

throw0101a wrote: post #143
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #6

Workaround: gpedit.msc Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Device Installation Prevent automatic download of applications associated with device metadata Set to enabled OK On home editions sans gpedit.msc: sysdm.cpl Hardware tab Click Device Installation Settings Under 'Do you want to automatically download manufacturers' apps for your devices?', select 'No' Save Changes

> On home editions sans gpedit.msc: I've managed to generally avoid running Windows (at home and at work) for a long time now, but if there was a situation where I needed to get a PC (at home?), is there a recommended least-sucky way of living with? Are there editions or scripts or a setup workflow that would make it suck less?

Use autounattend.xml[1] to pre-configure an image before installation. This is what corporate sysadmins have done in the past three decades to administer Windows NT fleets. Use PowerShell and various admin modules to configure an online installation.

Then, to get a better version of Windows, use MAS[2].

[1]: https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

[2]: https://massgrave.dev/

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by mr_toad »

raverbashing wrote: post #37
tialaramex wrote: post #30

Assuming they don't get a revenue cut, pushing back on Microsoft can in principle be effective here. Microsoft decides what happens here, and presumably today they just take it on trust that hardware makers know what software to install. New driver? Sure. McSpam installer? OK. Maybe they have a guideline saying "Don't ship unrelated garbage" but today it's not enforced because why would you do that? If the Microsoft…

Honestly yeah MS should get all the flack (which is mostly deserved) of this Manufacturer does whatever crap they want with "it works" and then MS gets the complaints A driver should only be that. A driver

> A driver should only be that. A driver

What does a monitor even need a driver for? I presume if you plug one of these into a Mac or a Linux box it’s still going to function.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by dansquizsoft »

fooker wrote: post #136
sigio wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only conclude that Windows is basically malware now... Thank $deity I haven't used any form of Windows for 10+ years anymore.

You're missing out on 37 different unrelated things being named copilot.

Copilot’s T&Cs clearly explain that it is for entertainment purposes only though.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by Saris »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #135
mrbluecoat wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very helpful, thank you. But it does remind me of that Yzma quote in The Emperor's New Groove: "Why do we even have that lever?"

> Why do we even have that lever For plug-and-play devices with multiple configuration knobs. It is nice to be able to click through a printer wizard to configure how one wants to print their documents. Likewise with an audio interface: loopback settings, codec, sampling rate, gain and volume of channels, etc. Or consider a USB CNC mill; configuring things like milling revolution rate, setting which bit is installed,…

Oh definitely, it's more a question of why Microsoft allows any 'driver utility' to have internet access or do anything outside of just configuring the hardware.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by 15155 »

reaperducer wrote: post #119
15155 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Americans are receiving more ads than in other parts of the world Ads aren't free, so yes, it would stand to reason that people in the largest consumer market in the world might garner more ad spend.

You must be getting downvoted by people who have never run an ad-supported web site. When I used to do that, North American traffic got ads 100% of the time. European traffic might get ads 5% of the time. Otherwise, there were few advertisers that cared. However, this was back before Google AdSense upended the industry, and you could still make a living showing one static ad per page.

It's afternoon in Europe, and folks generally don't like to be reminded of the fact that their market is decreasing in global relevance.

In this case, ads are even a product people actively want to avoid, but it's still unsettling to be undesirable. Imagine banning smoking and then getting upset that Philip Morris doesn't want to sell to you anymore.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by someothherguyy »

kingleopold wrote: post #7

They used to call this spyware/malware. Now it's a regular practice by eng. teams and managers inside these big corp. Well played guys :) Congrats with new type of tricks

I mean, nothing new there. (Mal/Ad/Spy)ware just has been more prevalent in the browser and on mobile apps the last ~15yrs instead of being installed via modified windows installers.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by RetroTechie »

sigio wrote: post #36
devttyeu wrote: post #20

This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

I can only conclude that Windows is basically malware now... Thank $deity I haven't used any form of Windows for 10+ years anymore.

> I can only conclude that Windows is basically malware now...

Windows has worked like spyware since what, the late Windows 7 days or thereabout?

End users should not regard this as inevitable. Or get caught up in the how-it-works-how-to-disable swamp. Instead, cut through to the essence. It's about respect:

# Microsoft does not respect Windows users (or users of any of their offerings?).

# LG does not respect people who buy their monitors (and perhaps other products?).

Knowing that, why would you use such a sleazy company's product for daily driving? Or give them your money? Would you buy bread from a baker who pisses on your lawn every time you're not looking?

User rights or consumer protection laws aren't even part of this equation. Although they do help (sometimes a lot!) to keep companies honest.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by hamburglar »

throw0101a wrote: post #143
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #6

Workaround: gpedit.msc Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Device Installation Prevent automatic download of applications associated with device metadata Set to enabled OK On home editions sans gpedit.msc: sysdm.cpl Hardware tab Click Device Installation Settings Under 'Do you want to automatically download manufacturers' apps for your devices?', select 'No' Save Changes

> On home editions sans gpedit.msc: I've managed to generally avoid running Windows (at home and at work) for a long time now, but if there was a situation where I needed to get a PC (at home?), is there a recommended least-sucky way of living with? Are there editions or scripts or a setup workflow that would make it suck less?

To be frank, no. In order to make windows not suck, you must invest a lot of time into knowing what to disable on the various SKUs, and in my opinion, it stopped being worth it around the time of windows vista (2006-7ish). I worked for Microsoft back then and ever since I left in 2007 i have thankfully been able to have a no-windows policy. I did briefly try going back last year for Unity dev but it was a mistake that made me want to quit computers entirely.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by coldtea »

devttyeu wrote: post #20

This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

And people think macOS sandboxing is "hyperbolic"
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