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Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Honest question: what is the ultimate end game if at some point a court in another country orders a domain be reinstated? Do we end up with a domain registration system per country?

We literally already have one of those. Each country has a .XX TLD, and all other TLDs are for the USA.

Even .horse?

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One of the reasons I keep my .in domain up and running as my backup email (and just for personal use). That .com domain, if taken down/away from other jurisdictions (the ones that can easily do it) for whatever reason (including a “mistake” or slip) would mean it’s gone for good (because I neither have the capacity nor resources to appeal/fight that in foreign lands).

Your .IN domain is probably one of the worst possible choices of all ccTLD to claim that you can publish things on it without fear of reprisals or censorship, be assured that something bad would happen to it or you personally if you happened to run afoul of any powerful people in the Indian government (or oligarchs). Something like .NL (you do not need to be a Dutch national to register) or .IS would be much more leg…

Maybe crossroadsguy lives in India. By using your home country's ccTLD, you have only one source of censorship instead of two.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Was anyone who broke the law in texas ? It's a euro porn site publishing content on servers outside of Texas. With a domain name whose ultimate root is a company in Virginia. The fact that verisign (and various other registrars of .com) have other unrelated clients with other domain names who may be in Texas is unrelated.

> Was anyone who broke the law in texas? Irrelevant. Texas has jurisdiction over anyone doing business in Texas, and may enforce all judgments, writs, and other decrees using third-parties who also do business in Texas (Verisign decidedly does) and typically throughout the United States. The law isn't an autistic computer system; this isn't about "fairness." This is about "what can be enforced." This controversy is m…

I work for an ISP and we host several LGBTQ activist sites and non profits, does the Ugandan government have jurisdiction over the company I work for because the content is illegal in Uganda?

I'm sure a creative and bigoted Ugandan government lawyer could argue that our client is "doing business" in Uganda by publishing LGBTQ content that is accessible to internet users there.

Does somebody shitposting on a php bulletin board hosted by one of our colo customers insulting the king of Thailand mean that we're subject to judicial sanction in Bangkok? Should I expect to be extradited to stand trial in Kampala? It makes just as much sense.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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We literally already have one of those. Each country has a .XX TLD, and all other TLDs are for the USA.

Even .horse?

Yes, .horse is a USA TLD. It works this way because we let the USA have the exorbitant privilege of controlling the DNS root, and they realized they could make up new TLDs for money.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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> Was anyone who broke the law in texas? Irrelevant. Texas has jurisdiction over anyone doing business in Texas, and may enforce all judgments, writs, and other decrees using third-parties who also do business in Texas (Verisign decidedly does) and typically throughout the United States. The law isn't an autistic computer system; this isn't about "fairness." This is about "what can be enforced." This controversy is m…

I work for an ISP and we host several LGBTQ activist sites and non profits, does the Ugandan government have jurisdiction over the company I work for because the content is illegal in Uganda? I'm sure a creative and bigoted Ugandan government lawyer could argue that our client is "doing business" in Uganda by publishing LGBTQ content that is accessible to internet users there. Does somebody shitposting on a php bulle…

What power does the Ugandan or Thai government have to enforce their laws? That's really what matters - might makes right.

Does Verisign lose anything of value by being forced to stop doing business in those countries?

Texas has the power of being a member state of the United States. The Constitution grants Texas the ability to enforce its judgments throughout the lands and upon its own businesses.

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I think you know how absurd it sounds to say in response “well you can go and create your own internet”

Welcome to the world: people own things, have power, and use violence to protect their interests. Stomping your feet on the ground because something's not perceived as fair doesn't really change things. China has its own internet with limited access to the global "internet," other countries are free to do the same.

Your comment is no more constructive than the one you're replying to. Comments should get more thoughtful, not less, as the conversation goes on. For instance, how might we realistically replace the internet with a more neutral one?

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It's not confusing and you should understand what's happening for your own safety. This has been happening for a couple of decades internationally and now with USA states. This result means that Texas can take various means to block motherless. But more importantly no motherless employees should travel to Texas without risk of arrest. Same for abc/youtube/facebook employess traveling to India. You should be aware of…

> travel to Texas without risk of arrest This isn't some "non-extradition country without a treaty" scenario - "neener neener, if I don't step foot in your area you can't touch me." The United States does still have a functioning Constitution. If Texas wants to arrest an employee of these organizations, they can simply issue a Texan arrest warrant and other States will be compelled to enforce it.

Can Texas compel other states to arrest abortion clinic workers?

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It operates in Texas if it is serving Texas users. > Kick Online, which openly describes itself as a “moral free” company, ignored the lawsuit and refused to comply with the court’s order. It continued publishing and distributing harmful sexual material that was accessible to minors in Texas. This is the same website with a forum with millions of users trading information on how to assault their partner. https://www.…

> It operates in Texas if it is serving Texas users. What do you mean "serves"? Does that just mean not actively blocking users from Texas? Allowing your web site to be accessible regardless of user location is, and always has been, the default way to run a web site. Your assertion would mean that web site operators are beholden to the laws of all jurisdictions on the planet if they don't actively block those users.…

In the Anne Frank copyright case, the Anne Frank Foundation was found not liable for serving Dutch users (where the diary of Anne Frank is illegal) because they used "state-of-the-art geoblocking". It was also determined that VPN providers were not liable for making it possible to evade the geoblocking.

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I'm proposing that organizations like that recognize that age verification is going to happen, and try to ensure that when that happens there will be at lease some age verification services that do it in a way that doesn't subject you to a "papers, please" situation every time you go to a website that has to check age. It can be done with either 0 or 1 "papers, please" events per device rather than 1 per website or w…

I hate how quickly some people have just accepted age verification is inevitable.

You got an alternative proposal? You could run you and 537 of your best friends for Congress and make it illegal

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Your .IN domain is probably one of the worst possible choices of all ccTLD to claim that you can publish things on it without fear of reprisals or censorship, be assured that something bad would happen to it or you personally if you happened to run afoul of any powerful people in the Indian government (or oligarchs). Something like .NL (you do not need to be a Dutch national to register) or .IS would be much more leg…

Maybe crossroadsguy lives in India. By using your home country's ccTLD, you have only one source of censorship instead of two.

I mean he's probably fine as long as he does absolutely nothing to challenge the status quo or anyone powerful in India. Which doesn't really seem like an optimal situation for a censorship resistant domain. There's a vast quantity of examples of Indian state and federal government authorities issuing court orders to "remove" content from the internet over the past 25+ years. Take a look at some of the citations in the Wikipedia page I linked.
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