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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by joe_mamba »

embedding-shape wrote: post #27
devttyeu wrote: post #20

This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

> This situation has.. no precedent as far as I can tell.. Microsoft has been allowing this sort of ludicrous behavior for decades at this point, it's not a new issue. What's new is how visible LG made their malware, compared to previous auto-installs that happen like this, where they try to make the thing not so in your face, as they know there will be a huge backlash. I don't know what Microsoft is thinking even al…

>I don't know what Microsoft is thinking even allowing and enabling this sort of thing

This has been a feature since Windows 7, and it worked great since it would pull all necessary drivers after installation without you going hunting on the internet like in the Windows XP days.

Just that no HW manufacturer thought to push spyware in their driver repos at that point to improve some team's KPIs.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by embedding-shape »

15155 wrote: post #86
embedding-shape wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably? Spoiler: LG TVs sold in China also seem to have more ads than the LG TV we end up buying in Europe. Seemingly ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48957229 ) with Samsung it's the same. Even though EU is a larger consumer market than China, so obviously your theory doesn't hold, it's something else than "Bigger consumer markets === more ads in UIs in TVs".

> obviously your theory doesn't hold Cost is my "theory." A larger market can sustain larger ad spend, and in some areas it's cheaper to make larger ad buys. Both are true. Also, "larger market" obviously implies a category-specific qualifier. People in the United States might have more of an appetite for televisions than people without running water - news at 11. > Spoiler: LG TVs sold in China also seem to have mor…

> Any citation you care to provide?

Not really, the question I posed initially was a casual one, based on reading around basically. I'm guessing you then have a citation handy for the US LG TVs having more ads because the US is a bigger consumer market?

> "More ads" is already a pretty subjective, ill-defined thing. More screen time? More individual advertisers? More unique advertisements? Larger screen area?

If you open up the TV home dashboard, do you see ads? On my LG TV I don't, looking at screenshots from LG TVs in the US, there seems to be.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by sys_64738 »

Georgelemental wrote: post #60
justsomehnguy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logitech M720 Triathlon is currently listed €64,99 at their site. The "programmable buttons" on it works through the user space app which is needs to be running in order to intercept and replace the button actions. No app running? No replace. App is stalling because the CPU was busy? No replace. (EDIT: or no action at all, lol) Is €65 mouse could store the less than a 1 kilobyte of the settings on itself? Of course n…

I am very happy with my Triathlon, but I use the 3rd-party Linux software Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar

This is a wonderful app for pairing. No Logitech spyware needed!

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by greatgib »

If you had time to spend, I'm wondering if you couldn't sue LG or Microsoft in some countries for something equivalent of "hacking". Like intrusion in a computer network. As it is unsolicited installation of something that is unexpected.

As there is no consequence for them, again there is no reason that it changes or that it doesn't get worse in the future.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by 15155 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #92
15155 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> obviously your theory doesn't hold Cost is my "theory." A larger market can sustain larger ad spend, and in some areas it's cheaper to make larger ad buys. Both are true. Also, "larger market" obviously implies a category-specific qualifier. People in the United States might have more of an appetite for televisions than people without running water - news at 11. > Spoiler: LG TVs sold in China also seem to have mor…

> Any citation you care to provide? Not really, the question I posed initially was a casual one, based on reading around basically. I'm guessing you then have a citation handy for the US LG TVs having more ads because the US is a bigger consumer market? > "More ads" is already a pretty subjective, ill-defined thing. More screen time? More individual advertisers? More unique advertisements? Larger screen area? If you…

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by BatteryMountain »

delusional wrote: post #82
motbus3 wrote: post #41

I am tired of this. LG is now on my blacklist alongside EA and Blizzard Entertainment for their anti consumer practices. I can't change them, I can't change policies about it. I can choose to not buy.

> Blizzard Entertainment You mean "Microsoft Xbox Activision Blizzard King Bethesda Mojang"? I wish you luck with your boycott.

I've successfully avoided these companies the last 5 years. Gaming as a whole is dead for me, I just play a couple of old games now & then. The culture is toast too, not just bad games or expensive hardware. So not really losing much sleep over any of this. I have linux on all my machines, so I really only play the one's that perform well on linux. Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013. Many of us are like me.

edit: like if a game doesn't work, I no longer spend hours trying to fix it, I don't go ranting on the internet about it.. I just uninstall and play something else. Really simplifies things if you can detach from gaming as a core identity anchor.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by Sharlin »

devttyeu wrote: post #20

This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

Perhaps no precedent in hardware, but it's basically the same as the good old Sony CD autoplay rootkit fiasco. Except this one runs in mere userland AFAICS.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by classified »

rbanffy wrote: post #63

At this point, such shenanigans are to be expected when using Windows. I guess my next machine will have a VGA port ;-) And no Windows.

As long as you don't need some Windows-only software, Linux is a viable alternative now. KDE Plasma is a great desktop environment and even most games run flawlessly on Steam. And if you do need Windows occasionally, you can put it into a VM.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by embedding-shape »

15155 wrote: post #96
embedding-shape wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any citation you care to provide? Not really, the question I posed initially was a casual one, based on reading around basically. I'm guessing you then have a citation handy for the US LG TVs having more ads because the US is a bigger consumer market? > "More ads" is already a pretty subjective, ill-defined thing. More screen time? More individual advertisers? More unique advertisements? Larger screen area? If you…

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> The plural of anecdote isn't data.

Hey, I learned something new! Thanks :) Hope you enjoy the rest of your Saturday as much I'm enjoying mine, time to hit the beach.

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