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First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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A really powerful magnetic field could help, also. Without our field, we would be in trouble, too.

This is false. Earth's magnetic field does not significantly impact atmospheric loss. For comparison, Venus is closer to the sun and has no magnetic field, but has a substantially thicker atmosphere than earth.

Pithy rejoinder, thanks! If this were /. in 1999, I'd call this +1 Insightful.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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48 light years is in our back yard. Close enough that we could probably develop a probe to get there in the next few centuries and check it out. What are the current popular candidates for propulsion systems capable of accelerating to near the speed of light?

Just going to recycle this comment I made in reply to an almost identical comment as yours. I don't think you folks realize how big space actually is. The speed of light is 1079 252 848 km/h, the fastest space craft ever made was the Parker Solar probe (using a sling shot) clocking in at 692 000 km/h. So at that speed it would take, 1559 years to travel one light year. This planet sits at a distance of 48 light years…

> the fastest space craft ever made was the Parker Solar probe (using a sling shot) clocking in at 692 000 km/h…

After 44 days of acceleration. On a multi-millennia mission we’re talking a velocity likely 300x what the Parker Solar Probe achieved (while falling into the Sun).

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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A really powerful magnetic field could help, also. Without our field, we would be in trouble, too.

This is false. Earth's magnetic field does not significantly impact atmospheric loss. For comparison, Venus is closer to the sun and has no magnetic field, but has a substantially thicker atmosphere than earth.

Atmosphere E != Atmosphere V

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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post #258

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A really powerful magnetic field could help, also. Without our field, we would be in trouble, too.

This is false. Earth's magnetic field does not significantly impact atmospheric loss. For comparison, Venus is closer to the sun and has no magnetic field, but has a substantially thicker atmosphere than earth.

Venus has lots all her lighter elements in the atmosphere. Basically no hydrogen left (not even in the form of water).

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Well, they would see the I-35 out of Houston, but that would show them no sign of intelligence. Just signs of corruption

Heh, your flip remark leads to an interesting observation: I think the most obvious signature of "abstract intelligence" is suboptimality. An alien would look at an agricultural grid and wonder, what possible natural process would divide something into squares rather than hexagons? Even without knowing what they are or how they form, it's hard to imagine anything that would prefer such a high energy configuration. Su…

Every civil engineer would find non-square grids stupid and expensive. Biology and maths may find hexagons better, but everyone else not.

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Even on that scale, major roads and agricultural grids are clearly visible. The mark of abstract intelligence is unmistakeable.

Well, they would see the I-35 out of Houston, but that would show them no sign of intelligence. Just signs of corruption

The most powerful observational tool in the universe would not show 35 anywhere near Houston.

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> if you were floating in a spacesuit at the same spot you'd also see that resolution (likely highly distorted) with the naked eye …would you? The lensing would occur right at the apparent surface of the sun.

You would still need the sun shield in place obv.

I'm genuinely curious for someone less lazy than I to do the trigonometry. My gut feeling is these would be tiny apparitions on the edge of the disc. Not visible to the naked eye, even with a shield.

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Well, they would see the I-35 out of Houston, but that would show them no sign of intelligence. Just signs of corruption

The most powerful observational tool in the universe would not show 35 anywhere near Houston.

Yup, mixed it up with the I-10. That's the widest road/band on earth. Much easier to see than the Chinese wall. https://supercarblondie.com/widest-highway-in-the-world-hous...

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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We should build a solar lens telescope. By the time we're ready to use it, we'll have a bunch of candidates to point it at.

There's a project that's going well from NASA for this. Still a moonshot but they've progressed through the early stages well so far. https://www.nasa.gov/general/direct-multipixel-imaging-and-s...

It's just a funny little thing but I love how in a world of "megapixel" and even "gigapixel" space images we have here a "multipixel" imaging of planets, due to achieving a resolution of several pixels.

Though the 25km resolution mentioned actually sounds far, far better than the very pixellated planet in the "artist’s depiction". I suppose it depends how small and far away the planet is.

Re: First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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48 light years is in our back yard. Close enough that we could probably develop a probe to get there in the next few centuries and check it out. What are the current popular candidates for propulsion systems capable of accelerating to near the speed of light?

Just going to recycle this comment I made in reply to an almost identical comment as yours. I don't think you folks realize how big space actually is. The speed of light is 1079 252 848 km/h, the fastest space craft ever made was the Parker Solar probe (using a sling shot) clocking in at 692 000 km/h. So at that speed it would take, 1559 years to travel one light year. This planet sits at a distance of 48 light years…

The comment you replied to doesn't appear to be misunderstanding the size of the galaxy, they mention acceleration to near the speed of light so they're probably thinking 100 years to get there and another 48 to receive signals back. The missing part is the propulsion system capable of doing that.
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