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Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by kazinator »

So basically this whole thing is a ploy to get rid of porn: basically, censorship that vaguely tries not to look like censorship.

1. Instigate a completely impractical, rights-violating scheme for age verification that nobody in their right mind wants to implement.

2. Then, enforce it against whatever porn sites land in your jurisdiction at all, knowing that they, like everyone else, don't do the verification.

Am I close?

Suppose the porn site tries to implement it. How many people are going to hand over their personal info to a shady porn site? Most visitors are there anonymously for whatever free stuff they can watch.

Either way, the porn site is ... screwed. Implement age verification: 99% visitors now back-button out and find another porn site. Don't implement it: blocked or shut down.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by toomuchtodo »

profmonocle wrote: post #108
toomuchtodo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a .com domain, so out of reach. Anything within US reach, individuals or entities, is fair game from a US judicial system perspective. Everyone learns this the hard way, it seems.

A federal court, sure. But this was a state court ruling on a state law.

My other comment in this thread has citations demonstrating SCOTUS support and approval for Texas to enforce these laws, as well as links to statue trackers showing where states and countries have implemented these age validation requirements for social media and adult content sites.

It was a choice by Motherless and their holding company, Kick Online, to egregiously ignore Texas law; the law has been found sound by the US Supreme Court, and enforceable by Texas. These are the facts of the situation. Everything else to discuss on this is feelings and opinion, unless there are relevant facts not yet shared or discovered.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48953591

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by jasonfarnon »

walrus01 wrote: post #101
jasonfarnon wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think that is necessary for jurisdiction? It's doing business with TX customers every time it serves an ad to someone there. The law governing sufficient contacts for internet companies has been pretty well established since the 2000s.

> It's doing business with TX customers every time it serves an ad to someone there By this same logic if my web server physically located in Canada, the USA or Iceland serves LGBTQ content to people in Uganda I should be held liable or dragged into a Ugandan court under some of Uganda's anti-LGBTQ laws? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=uganda+an...

I'm not sure what your point is. Courts generally follow precedent, not your opinion about what is or isn't logical. Do you want me to explain to you the nature of extraterritorial jurisdiction, extradition treaties, etc., distinguishing your hypothetical from this case? I don't have a dog in this fight. If you really want to understand what's going on I would suggest you simply look up the complaint this AG filed, which will give the basis for jurisdiction, which the court evidently accepted.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by downrightmike »

jzb wrote: post #70
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I don’t do business in Texas, have no operations in Texas or otherwise deal with Texas in any way a state court should just be able to order a company to suspend my whole domain? I’m Canadian and Texas courts have zero authority over me so they can f*ck off.

But they do have authority over the domain registrar, so you’re vulnerable there no matter where you live. I don’t agree with the premise of age verification, but of course a prosecutor would go after the assets they can reach if enforcing local laws. They’ve done this for years when it comes to copyright infringement.

They do not

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

behringer wrote: post #114

The sooner the US loses control over the internet the better.

Just for clarity's sake, what is "the Internet", and how does "the United States" have "control" over it?

https://youtu.be/iDbyYGrswtg?si=AL91MHC5q5yg2jnA

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by walrus01 »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #113
walrus01 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's doing business with TX customers every time it serves an ad to someone there By this same logic if my web server physically located in Canada, the USA or Iceland serves LGBTQ content to people in Uganda I should be held liable or dragged into a Ugandan court under some of Uganda's anti-LGBTQ laws? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=uganda+an...

I'm not sure what your point is. Courts generally follow precedent, not your opinion about what is or isn't logical. Do you want me to explain to you the nature of extraterritorial jurisdiction, extradition treaties, etc., distinguishing your hypothetical from this case? I don't have a dog in this fight. If you really want to understand what's going on I would suggest you simply look up the complaint this AG filed, w…

There's also more than ample legal precedent that only the US federal government has the authority to regulate inter-state commerce, which is clearly what .COM is as an entity run by VeriSign, and internet traffic/telecommunications traffic that crosses state borders. There's such a vast body of law in telecom law that the federal government regulates long distance telecommunications traffic that I could paste citations to dozens of court cases going back 75 years. International internet traffic from an entity whose servers aren't in Texas isn't subject to Texas jurisdiction.

Re: Texas wins court order to suspend domain name for violating age-verification law

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #104
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course it has business operations in TX. It does not, as explicitly stated in the court's decision found here[0]. https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/ima...

You're going to have give us the "explicit" quotation, because that link is to a decision in favor of the state.

> You're going to have give us

To be fair, only some of "us" are unwilling to read a two-page document to be informed about a topic under discussion. The words you're looking for are "Defendant is not a resident of this state and is a foreign corporation."

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