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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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> allocation requirements If I am understanding you correctly, it seems the Luce does not factor in to that equation. There are no requirements for anyone to buy a Luce in order to unlock the privilege of buying higher tier models.

I actually didn't know that. If not, then cool!

It's not the least bit true, of course.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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This is John Ternus having a beef with Tang Tan. It’s widely known they both competed for the role of CEO. Tim Cook would never have started this. It shows a level of pettiness and arrogance which I never expected to see from Apple. I can’t put myself in the mind of John, but he clearly hated Tang. From outside and with a parent’s perspective this looks like my kids throwing a tantrum. John must be thinking he is the…

Weird take. With as much evidence as they have (unless they're just wildly fabricating everything in their lawsuit complaint, which... really? All Apple's lawyers are just making up claims in court documents? Sounds very career-ending, why would the lawyers do that?) they would be complete idiots not to sue.

There is absolutely no evidence at all. Apple is going to loose this. The beef is real, and though Tim is acting CEO till the 1st of September I am ready to bet anything that the order to sue comes from Ternus. Specially considering that there is no evidence of wrongdoing or stealing.

And if there is, tell me what.

John Grubes might be a better authority than me in these matters and he seems to share my opinion. You can listen to it here:

https://dithering.passport.online/member/episode/apple-sues-...

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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This is John Ternus having a beef with Tang Tan. It’s widely known they both competed for the role of CEO. Tim Cook would never have started this. It shows a level of pettiness and arrogance which I never expected to see from Apple. I can’t put myself in the mind of John, but he clearly hated Tang. From outside and with a parent’s perspective this looks like my kids throwing a tantrum. John must be thinking he is the…

Widely known where? Tang was never mentioned as a candidate in anything I read over the past few years. He wasn't an SVP.

Tang and Ternus where the candidates in 2021 as head of hardware engineering as Dan Riccio left. Tang lost and went to OpenAI.

It’s well known within Apple that they hate each other.

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At this point in his career, Jony Ive is best suited for doing deep dive studies on the corner-radius of new products. And even then, you might as well just default it to that of an ipad, because that seems to be his preference for all things, including $650k Ferraris.

I don't think the new Ferrari looks bad, just not like a Ferrari.

It looks like someone went to 2060 and brought back a Beetle

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> Some companies come across like a neon sign flashing "EVIL!". This is a perception created by your choice of media.

In Samsung’s case, they are evil buy something from them, and you are dead to them after the sale mind you, that probably would be the case with many Korean and Chinese companies too. Would never buy anything from Samsung.

I do not do business with companies that treat me poorly or offer low quality services.

My observation is that feeling a strong moral valence for a company is a media construction.

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Widely known where? Tang was never mentioned as a candidate in anything I read over the past few years. He wasn't an SVP.

Tang and Ternus where the candidates in 2021 as head of hardware engineering as Dan Riccio left. Tang lost and went to OpenAI. It’s well known within Apple that they hate each other.

They were candidates for SVP in 2021, with Ternus being selected. Tang left in 2024. Ternus was named CEO in 2026. Seems a stretch to say they competed for the role of CEO.

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I don’t think Cupertino will settle for stock. I think they’ll demand cash and an agreement that OpenAI abandon or reboot their hardware project. In the meantime, Apple gets an open kimono into everything OpenAI has planned. This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. The threat of a cash judgement gums up not only an IPO, but also debt-based fundraising. (We equity guys are idiots,…

This take seems wildly disconnected from reality. My prediction: this will result in a relatively modest undisclosed settlement and OpenAI won’t abandon, or even modify, their hardware product because of this. And Apple definitely won’t get an “open kimono” to everything OpenAI has planned. This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. People are taking sid…

> This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight.

OpenAI being well-capitalized made me laugh out loud, thanks for the humor :)

Apple has a ridiculous amount of cash, AA credit, and makes $100B of net income per year. OpenAI has none of those attributes, what they do have is investors willing to bankroll them, for now.

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> And they blew it This could be a blessing in disguise for OpenAI. This mess was conducted under Altman’s watch—it could be an opportunity to Kalanick him. The Board could elevate Altman to Chairman emeritus or something, choose a new CEO and settle with Apple. That will probably involve shutting down the hardware project and clawing back comp from its employees who helped make this mess.

Maybe, but remember what happened last time The Board tried to demote sama?

Sama was kept because of the cheddar to be lost if he left. If this interferes with the IPO, he'll get removed for the same reason.

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> Looks like a bunch of OpenAI employees involved in the theft are going to see prison time Very likely, and I don't see this brought up often. The discussions are always focused on Apple v. OpenAI, but there are very real, serious criminal charges here potentially. This goes well beyond just a civil lawsuit. Would not be surprised at all to see criminal charges soon.

Right, just like you think that Apple is somehow going to magically get an injunction that freezes ALL software deployments at OpenAI and drives them out of business. People’s inability to reason in the face of their hatred for Sama is wild.

i dont hate sam and i dont get the vitrol but in this particular case if he's involved in theft of apple hardware then there is very good chance that the engineers who were at apple facilitated will at least get criminal sentencing, sam will be protected because there is too much on the line

i think he's ability to protect the ex-apple engineers is limited as the trials proceed id think it'd be wise for him to remain insulated and distance for the sake of openai

anyhow lawyers on both sides are going to be making far more money than any of their engineers, this trial will drag on for years and they will be eating good, settlement alone could be insane if courts side with apple which in this case seems pretty clear

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As far as I can tell Ive's expertise isn't "build a platform". All they seem to have gotten out of it is some creepy blogpost: https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/

I don't get this "build a platform" nonsense. He's a designer. A good one. Who ripped off much of his aethetics from vintage Braun products.

I also wonder where that idea came from. Dude is about design last I checked.
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