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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by senordevnyc »

thewebguyd wrote: post #254
zuzululu wrote: post #193

Looks like a bunch of OpenAI employees involved in the theft are going to see prison time and nobody is going to hire them other than shady startup founders who will probably ask "is this guy going to steal from me " I think this is a good reminder that no company is going to put their neck out for you. IF you go above and beyond whether, whatever the carrot is on the end of the stick you chase, you are only good as…

> Looks like a bunch of OpenAI employees involved in the theft are going to see prison time Very likely, and I don't see this brought up often. The discussions are always focused on Apple v. OpenAI, but there are very real, serious criminal charges here potentially. This goes well beyond just a civil lawsuit. Would not be surprised at all to see criminal charges soon.

Right, just like you think that Apple is somehow going to magically get an injunction that freezes ALL software deployments at OpenAI and drives them out of business.

People’s inability to reason in the face of their hatred for Sama is wild.

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Post by [deleted] »

illliillll wrote: post #278
fsflover wrote: post #155

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The difference is Apple intentionally chose unrepairable design, despite much smaller companies offer repairable earplugs (See: PineBuds Pro).

Approximately no one ever breaks their AirPods, so the amount of waste eliminated through better repairability would almost certainly be non-existent.

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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by joe_mamba »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #219
proee wrote: post #208

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At this point in his career, Jony Ive is best suited for doing deep dive studies on the corner-radius of new products. And even then, you might as well just default it to that of an ipad, because that seems to be his preference for all things, including $650k Ferraris.

He has no taste anymore. He was right once, made too much money, and lost touch with everything. Now he's a tasteless boomer.

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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by the_lucifer »

senordevnyc wrote: post #280
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94

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I don’t think Cupertino will settle for stock. I think they’ll demand cash and an agreement that OpenAI abandon or reboot their hardware project. In the meantime, Apple gets an open kimono into everything OpenAI has planned. This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. The threat of a cash judgement gums up not only an IPO, but also debt-based fundraising. (We equity guys are idiots,…

This take seems wildly disconnected from reality. My prediction: this will result in a relatively modest undisclosed settlement and OpenAI won’t abandon, or even modify, their hardware product because of this. And Apple definitely won’t get an “open kimono” to everything OpenAI has planned. This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. People are taking sid…

> most well-capitalized companies

Huh what? Since when is OpenAI's IOU's and paper money worth more than Apple's cold hard cash? They have been backing away from their infrastructure commitments and literally pushing their IPO out.

Their "value" might fly with idiot VC's that are willing to throw money at them based on vibes. They are "big" on paper, nothing close to the financial heft of Apple. If anything this is where Sam Altman’s reality-distortion-field isn't going to fly.

> ... it results in these bizarro takes that OpenAI is finished as a company lol.

Meanwhile there's repeated news of OpenAI barely making ends meet and poised to run out of money mid next year. Unfortunately, OpenAI being 'well-capitalized' just doesn't hold up to what we've been actively seeing.

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Post by redorb »

jazzpush2 wrote: post #219
proee wrote: post #208

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At this point in his career, Jony Ive is best suited for doing deep dive studies on the corner-radius of new products. And even then, you might as well just default it to that of an ipad, because that seems to be his preference for all things, including $650k Ferraris.

He has no taste anymore. He was right once, made too much money, and lost touch with everything. Now he's a tasteless boomer.

I would say he isn't what he once was, age will get us all. However 'has no taste anymore' is too far the other way AND 'tasteless boomer' is in itself a tasteless comment.

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Post by the_lucifer »

an0malous wrote: post #190
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Cupertino will settle for stock. I think they’ll demand cash and an agreement that OpenAI abandon or reboot their hardware project. In the meantime, Apple gets an open kimono into everything OpenAI has planned. This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. The threat of a cash judgement gums up not only an IPO, but also debt-based fundraising. (We equity guys are idiots,…

> This could actually be the fuckup that kills OpenAI as an independent company. I wonder if they’ll be the Lehman Brothers of this bubble

> I wonder if they’ll be the Lehman Brothers of this bubble

That's exactly what this Yahoo Finance article today calls them at least [1]

[1]: https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/lehman-brot...

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Post by SpaceNoodled »

Zigurd wrote: post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

The Fire Phone did exactly what it was designed to do. It contained technologies that Apple fans were crowing about a decade later! Its major problems were the braindead carrier lock-in and the moronic pricing.

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Post by twoodfin »

foolswisdom wrote: post #256
twoodfin wrote: post #130

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Also, I’ve observed a rhetorical trend among the “anti-bigness” crowd towards defining “monopoly” down: “You may think a monopoly is an overwhelmingly dominant position as a supplier of a good or service, but that’s just naive popular economics! Acshually, according to the latest economic theories (by economists who share our politics), a monopoly is any firm that is big enough to have market power—like pricing power…

While the misuse of the term monopoly is annoying, that's quite the misleading comment. You're allowed to disagree with what policy is a good idea, but laws like the linked do exist, and they were seen as pro-competitive in their time. Today you can consider that "just business", and therefore "part of competing", but the were laws with the intention of allowing/disallowing types of tactics. E.g., you can't compete b…

What does Robinson-Patman enforcement have to do with the economic definition of a monopoly?

Robinson-Patman applies to every supplier and every retailer, not just monopolies, which is what makes it so difficult to equitably enforce. So it hasn’t been.

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Post by amazingamazing »

asadotzler wrote: post #289
Forgeties79 wrote: post #70

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The accusations are incredibly clear/defined (and serious!) and have a very simple burden of proof. These things either happened or they didn’t, and they have material evidence or they don’t. It’s incredibly unlikely that they filed such big, concrete accusations without concrete proof to back them up. And while I am far from an Apple fan boy, yes a lot of big corporations file frivolous lawsuits but Apple typically…

Apple doesn't engage in that behavior against other companies? Apple doesn't abuse the legal system for business gain? Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corp. and Hewlett-Packard Co. (1988–1994) -- Apple lost its ass on this one, entirely frivolous. Every single major claim failed. Apple Inc. v. HTC Corp. (2010–2012) -- Apple patents wiped out over frivolity Apple Inc. v. Motorola Mobility, Inc. (2010–2014) -- Mutual…

without knowing the full extent of law suits initiated by apple this cherry picked set means nothing. a little over a dozen lawsuits you mentioned in a 40 year period. I mean so what, lol.

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Post by laserlight »

NuclearPM wrote: post #285
throw0101d wrote: post #223

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> being an exec at apple for decades you probably pick up on a few things, even if they're beyond your department It's also possible to lose touch (e.g., butterfly keyboards).

How is that losing touch?

Chasing a thinner product at all costs?
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