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First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

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48 light years is in our back yard. Close enough that we could probably develop a probe to get there in the next few centuries and check it out. What are the current popular candidates for propulsion systems capable of accelerating to near the speed of light?

why don't they check us out first?

Have you seen our track record of violence and general ignorance? I wouldn’t poke us with a ten light year pole.

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I'm always so alienated (sorry) by the excitement around things like this. People start fantasizing about FTL and space arks and there is just no evidence that any of that is possible, desirable, effective, anything really. I know I'm a killjoy, but I do think there's something negative about the impact of science fiction on engineers. Like, the people who tend (no offense) to be the most literal, black and white thi…

You can't imagine someone getting excited about difficult problems as an engineer? And you can't imagine why there's creativity involved?

I don't know, it feels like you can't process the output of human creativity.

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48 light years is in our back yard. Close enough that we could probably develop a probe to get there in the next few centuries and check it out. What are the current popular candidates for propulsion systems capable of accelerating to near the speed of light?

Just going to recycle this comment I made in reply to an almost identical comment as yours. I don't think you folks realize how big space actually is. The speed of light is 1079 252 848 km/h, the fastest space craft ever made was the Parker Solar probe (using a sling shot) clocking in at 692 000 km/h. So at that speed it would take, 1559 years to travel one light year. This planet sits at a distance of 48 light years…

If we’re talking about human technology available in a few hundred years, don’t discount far more exotic options. I’ve heard people talk of theoretical terrestrial lasers pushing on tiny probes. With an absolutely gigantic laser and magical material at the back of the probe that won’t instantly vaporize there’s enough energy to get something the size of a smartphone up to a reasonable proportion of the speed of light.

I can’t prescribe this theoretical technology to the problem. But I also think it’s unreasonable to set the limit using known technology and then discount the idea altogether. We have no idea what will be possible in 300 years.

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No, it doesn't seem very creative to me. I don't think I've ever sounded so cynical in my life, but something about the way sci-fi fandom bleeds into real science really makes me deeply uncomfortable.

> No, it doesn't seem very creative to me. You don't think exploring a problem/possibility space (heh) that is probably unobtainable is an effort in creativity?

It is creative as long as you acknowledge it's unobtainable. But in threads like this, fantasy and reality tend to blur.

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I'm always so alienated (sorry) by the excitement around things like this. People start fantasizing about FTL and space arks and there is just no evidence that any of that is possible, desirable, effective, anything really. I know I'm a killjoy, but I do think there's something negative about the impact of science fiction on engineers. Like, the people who tend (no offense) to be the most literal, black and white thi…

You can't imagine someone getting excited about difficult problems as an engineer? And you can't imagine why there's creativity involved? I don't know, it feels like you can't process the output of human creativity.

I love human creativity. I don't like pseudo-science, especially coming from people who believe they are above it (and fall prey to it anyway).

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I guess the point he's making is that the orbital velocity is pretty slow, so it's not too different to "get there" and "orbit there". Of course, the rocket equation often makes "just add a few percent more delta V" pretty hard ;)

> so it's not too different to "get there" and "orbit there". But to "get there" within any reasonable timespan requires going really fast - which is currently highly impractical. And then once you get there, you have to them cancel pretty much all of that velocity which is not just a "few percent more delta V".

We can do 7-8 AU per year right now using tech we have. Voy 1 and Voy 2 are moving at 3.59 and 3.25. A starship sized rocket could also possibly get a small payload that separates to 15 AU. This is all using conventual propellent. If you consider using nuclear explosive as a prepulsion technique the math starts to change substantially and you can achieve even 25 AU / year.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140013260/downloads/20...

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There's a project that's going well from NASA for this. Still a moonshot but they've progressed through the early stages well so far. https://www.nasa.gov/general/direct-multipixel-imaging-and-s...

What would a 25km resolution of earth look like

That's phenomenal. This would bring us so much fascinating information.

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How far will we peer into the unknown? What will we find out there?

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from th…

It's a good Lovecraft quote,but I was inspired by Collective Soul's Shine when I saw the OP.

  Lay me on the ground
  And fly me in the sky
  Show me where to look
  Tell me, what will I find?
  What will I find?
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