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Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by pyre »

trotsky wrote: post #63
morsch wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need for everybody to serve the entire index. Set up a DHT and let interested parties exchange the NZBs. All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection.

it's a reputational and data quality issue as well. completely decentralized content distribution doesn't usually work unless there is some kind of curation, there are just too many motivations for disruption. it's not an impossible problem, but long ago ceased being mostly about the technical occupation of shipping bits between nodes.

You could always have sites that only serve up indexes of NZB files (e.g. "NZB file => SHA-256"). Then you could use these to determine which NZB files to trust. I would assume that distributing a "NZB => Checksum" hash would be a lot smaller/easier than running an entire site on top of a terabyte of NZB files.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by pyre »

nwh wrote: post #48
asdfaoeu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always just upload the nzb file to Usenet and reference that.

That's usually where the indexing sites get them from in the first place. The issue comes when you're a client that's not indexing continuously; downloading billions of headers to try and find a particular NZB is a mammoth task.

  > downloading billions of headers to try and find a
  > particular NZB is a mammoth task
This is true. Even a ~10 of years ago, downloading just the headers on some of the newsgroups shot my cache directory into the gigabytes (for a single newsgroup).

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by nwh »

StavrosK wrote: post #53
nwh wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first experience was buying some coins through Mt. Gox, and immediately having my email leaked. It's something that seems to happen with alarming regularity in the Bitcoin world, people dropping 0-days left right and centre to get their hands virtual stashes. I suspect I probably got burnt trying bitcoin, but I would still warn anyone against using Blockchain for anything more than a toy. The alternative is to run…

Hmm, from what I saw, Blockchain keeps everything encrypted at all times, so it looks pretty secure. I imagine that buying Bitcoins might be more problematic, though, true.

Inject into their code and wait until the big players log in and reveal their keys to the trusted site. Game over. The encryption only protects against an opportunistic database grab.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by StavrosK »

nwh wrote: post #74
StavrosK wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, from what I saw, Blockchain keeps everything encrypted at all times, so it looks pretty secure. I imagine that buying Bitcoins might be more problematic, though, true.

Inject into their code and wait until the big players log in and reveal their keys to the trusted site. Game over. The encryption only protects against an opportunistic database grab.

How is this any different from someone keylogging your bank passwords?

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by nwh »

StavrosK wrote: post #75
nwh wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inject into their code and wait until the big players log in and reveal their keys to the trusted site. Game over. The encryption only protects against an opportunistic database grab.

How is this any different from someone keylogging your bank passwords?

Well it's different, but the end result is the same.

Banks are massive and have pretty much everything insured. If they mess up, it's on them. Not so much with bitcoin, if they mess up their users lose out.

Additionally demonstrated by Mt. Gox, most bitcoin services are run by complete novices. Basic SQL injection on a website dealing with currency is unforgivable.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by rektide »

morsch wrote: post #25
nwh wrote: post #20

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The index would be insanely huge. A lot of these indexing sites are used for their API. Dedicated applications like SickBeard automatically compile lists of wanted files (movies, TV rips and music) and use them to search against the provider. The provider returns a file (NZB) that contains references to hundreds of encoded files hosted on newsgroups. Here's a breakdown of one NZB, for a single 3.88GB file. Inside are…

There's no need for everybody to serve the entire index. Set up a DHT and let interested parties exchange the NZBs. All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection.

DebTorrent was to be a set of BitTorrent extensions to allow the Debian archive to be syndicated as one ever-growing torrent. Seems similar to the use case here, and free from the problem we have now which is the huge indexes getting hit by takedown notices. http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by tptacek »

This is a Usenet binary sharing site whose front page, in a Usenet "video review", was a table of movies, TV shows, and video games. In other words, it wasn't even possible for the owners to look at their own site and not know that it was being used almost exclusively as a tool for piracy.

Extremely common DMCA misconception: it's not enough to be "takedown compliant". That's not how the law works. You also can't ever operate with specific knowledge of infringing content; you are, in effect, required to "take down" any pirated content you find.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by cdh »

tptacek wrote: post #78

This is a Usenet binary sharing site whose front page, in a Usenet "video review", was a table of movies, TV shows, and video games. In other words, it wasn't even possible for the owners to look at their own site and not know that it was being used almost exclusively as a tool for piracy. Extremely common DMCA misconception: it's not enough to be "takedown compliant". That's not how the law works. You also can't eve…

Has it actually been established that merely linking to copyrighted content is illegal in the United States? I'm not trying to troll, just genuinely curious.

My technical understanding of this could be incorrect, but it seems to me that there is a meaningful difference between a BitTorrent tracker actively coordinating copyright infringing downloads vs. a website like NZBMatrix hosting nothing but static links to another location on the Internet.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by aes256 »

shelf wrote: post #26

Despite being 99% illicit content, could somebody explain why this is not a case for Safe Harbour? Is this principle enshrined in any law at all, or is it just some neutrality idyll that we assume others share? *Thought it was part of the DMCA

Their safe harbor protection is not in question at the moment.

They have allegedly shut the site down because they lack the resources to handle the growing tide of takedown requests.

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