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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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That's not enough though. He could have been acting rogue or for some other reason. That alone won't win in court

Among 40 ex Apple employees come on at least five or six of them probably crossed the line in their enthusiasm to get the big bucks. If it was a small number, four or five total, maybe, but not 40.

Also, Apple confronted OpenAI about LOL Liu. OpenAI’s response wasn’t to fire him, conduct an investigation and confidentially settle with Apple. It was to go cold.

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

> Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. Ahistoric jibber jabber. Microsoft gave it their very best shot with Windows Phone. Facebook renamed the entire company to make VR happen. These companies have shoved everything they got into making these platforms, and their fate would not have been different if they had been given another billion. Platforms are hard to make, an…

Fair enough, but I'd point out that, unlike Second Life, Meta didn't buy pants. If you want a chronicle of wasted spending regarding Microsoft and mobile devices, Google "Tomi Ahonen."

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Apple has a decade of beef with EU. OpenAI has a lot ot catchup on the EU hate scale.

Eu person: neither. We'd rather have the Chinese.

Yeah, I feel like given two bad choices the EU’s tendency would be to go with a third, worse option.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

A decade ago Uber seemed poised to be the big tech powerhouse. Maybe not a platform per se (certainly not an ecosystem as other companies had it) but a major provider of software for all kinds of verticals beyond their core business. What happened to that?

Many of them left and turned into startups around that tech, like Temporal.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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How can I say this…? Some companies come across like a neon sign flashing "EVIL!". It's been nothing but warning signs from this company for at least a year now. I'm so happy to have nothing to do with them (having deleted my account a year or so ago). Their marketing dept is going to have to really dig to get them out of this hole they've made for themselves. The idea that I would trust any device they might roll ou…

> don't mind the downvotes—it means I touched a nerve Nope. You wrote an ambiguous blurb that then breaks guidelines by commenting “about the voting on comments” [1]. Try taking out the edit and change “this company” in the second paragraph to OpenAI. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

…and too late to edit my edit…

(Weird thing about HN.)

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the wrong, Apple has such a massively dominant hardware business (some might say monopoly level in some areas) that for them to be publicly acknowledging how scared they are of OpenAI…it’s just…pathetic. They’re a $5T company and can’t muster up the motivation to ge…

You can’t poach talent, because companies don’t own their employees.

You can steal trade secrets, which is what this case is about.

(If you’re going to suggest a full rewrite of IP and anti-trust law, you should at least have an understanding of the current situation.)

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A list of very normal capitalistic practices. Borderline, sometimes ruthless, sometimes opportunistic. Evil is enabling genocide in Myanmar, which Meta provenly did. Evil is voluntarily steal millions of artworks for your own benefit, which OpenAI has provenly done. Etc…

Isn't polluting the environment evil? http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-airpods-repair-recycling-imposs...

That would describe mankind as a whole…

The cars that I’ve driven since 18, My contribution to the plastic problem over the years, etc.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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OpenAI only exists due to the theft of content created by others. If Apple’s accusations prove to be true, it just means that OpenAI is consistent.

I think that it's quite clear in the digital era that you can't steal bits that are free to copy.

Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

Forgive me, but what does Jony Ive know about building platforms?
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