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Post by inigyou »

Silhouette wrote: post #385
inigyou wrote: post #318

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Copyright has generally been extremely effective at giving money to trillion-dollar companies while giving artists almost nothing. This incentivises companies to hire artists and churn out slop. It doesn't incentivise artists to make art. For that, something other than copyright is needed.

This is demonstrably untrue. Today we have more access to far more works in more media on more subjects both entertainment and educational than ever in the history of the world. And almost all of them were ultimately built on the back of copyright and the economic models it supports. It's true that copyright makes a few people very rich. Some of those people certainly are artists. The "almost nothing" that Beyoncé ha…

What multiple of Beyonce's income is made by the corporation that manages her?

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Post by afavour »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #423
afavour wrote: post #59

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That doesn't really make sense. Consoles have always occupied a different space to PCs, not least because they plug into living room TVs. Very few people are going to trade that for a (considerably more expensive) PC. Gaming PCs also require specialized knowledge, more maintenance, etc etc. Consoles are pick up and go. I very much doubt they're dead yet.

> Gaming PCs also require specialized knowledge, more maintenance, etc etc. If you want to build it yourself: sure. But less technically inclined folks can just buy one pre-assembled from a computer shop.

You still need to stay on top of requirements as time passes though. Will game X run on my machine? By comparison a console game is for a generation of a console or it's for the next.

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Post by close04 »

danaris wrote: post #328
close04 wrote: post #253

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You painted an accurate picture about how people act in this case and for boycotts in general but let’s be honest, not buying movies from Sony and its store is the last thing most people would “suffer” from. There’s such a large supply of content today that ditching one source for another has almost no real impact. How much content really is only on Sony’s store, and how much of it would wear you down if you didn’t c…

You seem to have either misunderstood my point (a), or you have a misguided idea of how important small luxuries are to people, especially people who do not have the means to procure larger luxuries on a regular basis. I mean, sure; it's much more painful to boycott the only ISP around, or the only grocery store within a 30 mile radius, but just because there are things that could be worse doesn't mean that this can'…

I get the need for small luxuries but you failed to make the point that the Sony store is the place for this. I don’t mind if you clarify for me how not buying movies from Sony and buying instead from Amazon or a local store for example is such a loss for quality of life. Why is Sony so special? Do those people find special meaning in Sony’s store above all others? Or do they need to buy the “small luxury” from every store and can’t boycott any?

They probably boycott the Xbox store just fine, and that one’s also full of “small luxuries” so as best I can tell you make a personal preference based argument, which is different from what you think you’re saying.

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Post by ninalanyon »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #366
ninalanyon wrote: post #220

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I gave up on Sony for life when they tried to install a rootkit on my computer from an audio CD years ago and I see no reason to change.

For me, it was when they removed the Linux capability from the PS3 (or technically, they removed the ability to have it be able to run Linux and also use it to play PS3 games). I wasn't personally affected by the rootkit fiasco as I was pirating music back then (I mean I still do, but I did back then as well). I should have taken that as a warning as I was fully aware of what kind of company they were, but was attrac…

I wasn't affected either as I had given up using Windows already but it hit No. 2 son's machine. I decided that the intent was more important than their technical incompetence.

I did buy a Sony ultrazoom camera recently but that was a secondhand purchase. The hardware is brilliant but as usual the software ranges from barely usable and to totally broken. In theory it is supposed to be able to run a wifi hotspot that lets you transfer images wirelessly but instead of just putting a minimal web server on it they created their own opaque protocol, the only client was Windows only, and you can no longer download it. Had I bought it new in the expectation of being able to unload it wirelessly I would have sent it back for a refund

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Post by tshaddox »

lukan wrote: post #352
tshaddox wrote: post #344

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Piracy has never been stealing. If you get into trouble with the legal system for piracy, it's for copyright infringement, not larceny.

But actual piracy has always been about stealing, so maybe it was not a smart move to label the movement after thieves and murderers, while insisting it is not about theft. Because yes, it is copying. Nothing gets taken away. But when a pirate took a ship and it's gold away, it was gone.

The analogy being made from piracy to copyright infringement is more about living entirely outside the rule of law and less about the obvious fact that stealing is one of the main things that pirates do. The analogy was first made in reference to unauthorized book publishers, which is pretty close to modern usage (although it used to refer only to the producers of the unauthorized copies, not the consumers). But there's also things like "pirate radio" (unauthorized broadcasts, not necessarily of copyrighted material, and not even necessarily illegal at the source of the broadcast) and "pirate taxis" (simply unlicensed taxi services)

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Post by lukan »

tshaddox wrote: post #435
lukan wrote: post #352

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But actual piracy has always been about stealing, so maybe it was not a smart move to label the movement after thieves and murderers, while insisting it is not about theft. Because yes, it is copying. Nothing gets taken away. But when a pirate took a ship and it's gold away, it was gone.

The analogy being made from piracy to copyright infringement is more about living entirely outside the rule of law and less about the obvious fact that stealing is one of the main things that pirates do. The analogy was first made in reference to unauthorized book publishers, which is pretty close to modern usage (although it used to refer only to the producers of the unauthorized copies, not the consumers). But ther…

And "pirate camps".

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Post by mingus88 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #190
mingus88 wrote: post #125

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ok but who enforces the law? If you haven’t been paying attention lately, laws are only as good as they are enforced and it has become obvious that the ruling class is not going to enforce laws against themselves. The solution here is not something most people are willing to inconvenience themselves over

Rewind a bit over 100 years and the robber barons had an iron grip over the US economy, US politics, and people who understood the mechanisms despaired at ever prying it away from them. Then the wind shifted and, suddenly, we could and we did. It took them decades to undo that progress and decades more to reassert their grip. Don't self-sabotage by imagining that it is impossible to achieve change through democracy.…

I am not saying it’s impossible. I am saying the means to achieve would cause me to be banned if I spelled it out

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Post by reilly3000 »

apparent wrote: post #361
Reason077 wrote: post #357

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> ”Revocation should come with full refunds.” Of course it should. If Sony are not doing that then it sounds like grounds for a class action? I remember when Google shut down Stadia. To their credit, they automatically refunded everything I’d ever purchased on the platform. Nice little windfall.

The lawsuit would have to prove that Sony didn't abide by it's T&Cs, which it seems like they may well have. The issue then is whether it's OK to have T&Cs that seemingly conflict with the "buy" characterization that customers are presented with.

I strongly feel that if I click on a button that says “Buy” I am making a permanent purchase. The verb should be called “License” or “Lease” to reflect the nature of the transaction or it is inherently deceptive and should be illegal.

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Post by Silhouette »

inigyou wrote: post #431
Silhouette wrote: post #385

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This is demonstrably untrue. Today we have more access to far more works in more media on more subjects both entertainment and educational than ever in the history of the world. And almost all of them were ultimately built on the back of copyright and the economic models it supports. It's true that copyright makes a few people very rich. Some of those people certainly are artists. The "almost nothing" that Beyoncé ha…

What multiple of Beyonce's income is made by the corporation that manages her?

I don't know. But given that Beyoncé formed her own management company about 15 years ago I'm not sure the answer was going to make the point you were intending anyway.

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Post by CrimsonCape »

mafuy wrote: post #355
matheusmoreira wrote: post #308

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No, I won't understand. These people who don't give a shit, they are the problem . They're the ones who finance these corporations and enable their abusive practices.

They are indeed part of the problem, but you cannot blame them. You have to blame those who caused their situation to be so dire, making them lack support. These people work 2 jobs, have a young kid, a demented parent or a bedridden sister that need constant support. If they take the time to give a shit about politics, their dependent dies. You don't seem to know how incredibly stressful and exhausting the life of so…

I learned about the earlier generations of my family. The massive difference is how much more socially connected they were. They walked to grocery stores because the grocery stores were within walking distance because they had to be (perishable foods were not refrigerated). They walked to work and lived blocks away from their business (great grandfather owned a service station). Their friends were the people in the businesses between home and work. They rode streetcars to travel around. The great- generation of my family was born 1908 and 1910. My grandparents conveyed these stories of how they lived and how their parents lived.

In your dire example, the missing component is how older generations socialized organically and effortlessly. They might be caring for their dependent, but the minute they left the house, they experienced social interaction. I certainly feel like modern day is vastly different and creates the isolation you describe.

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