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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle. I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn'…

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PlfOoKTFcAE seems pretty good to me?

I don't agree, but this is exactly why AI is the technology of this century. We will never be able to agree, because we have no common ground.

I think it's pointless dribble. There's no punchline that it's working towards other than "pigeon dumb"

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

Art isn't just the screenplay, or a prompt; it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department. And it may change during production. And effort. If it's easy, it's easily reproducible and not worth that much. And novelty, that's something current models aren't capable of. That's why Jarimoquai's Virtua…

If you've ever tried to get around Gemini or ChatGPT's guardrails, stock footage poisoning, and just general tendency to produce the most frustratingly banal version of your prompt possible, then you would understand that prompting AI images and video absolutely already involves a clash between reality and intent (in the sense that this is Google and OpenAI's world, we're just living in it).

I would love to get around the "individual skill" part, but all of my artist friends would excommunicate me if they knew the AI projects I've been working on, let alone if I asked them to collaborate.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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All these AI discussions seem to lack the nuance that the real utility of these tools will come in the finer points.

GPT? Sure, you can write a book with it, but in writing its use as a tool by a real human is perhaps best when it is providing a jumpstart to creativity. If I'm writing a script I might have a chatbot give me a rough outline which will usually be complete garbage that I throw away 90% of but it got me over the decision paralysis of getting started.

Image generation? Sure, you can create varying degrees of body horror wrong-hand imagery and ugly-as-sin event flyers. But it's also indispensable for, as an example, object deletion and cleanup workflows within Photoshop. Or intelligently letting me change the paint color of a car while preserving the reflection's tones and realistic shadows.

Video generation? Sure, you can make ugly nonsensical slop but I imagine it will be hugely useful for AI driven rotoscoping, quickly creating placeholder or background resources.

Of course, the ethics of how this training data was all gained creates an entirely different aspect of discussion. Supposedly Adobe's image generation, by far some of the worst on the market, is so bad because it is ONLY trained on imagery that they already have reproduction and usage rights to. Which tracks, because it does an admirable job of erasing an ugly building and revealing trees and a field behind it, but anything that results in it having to generate stuff more complex than the landscape photography that makes up the glut of its training data has... hilarious results.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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We all know that tasteless junk media would never be successful, this is why you only find high quality media on the internet and only high quality media gets popular in the mainstream. That sounds right, right? Seriously, the nudge for artistic value can be made, although I would very much doubt a creative human making a video for an established song with a clear theme would do better in creativity. Perhaps the one…

> The average consumer is basically a vacuum cleaner. Yeah, this has been the hardest pill to swallow, as a creative and person that enjoys art. They know it's all least-common-denominator bullshit and they like it anyway. A lot of people truly just don't care about the meaning or any message in the art, they just like explosions and pretty people. And that's fine, I guess. There's nothing wrong with it. It just... m…

We’re all tasteless and unrefined morons for something. You enjoy art and have developed a sense of taste, and that’s valuable and valid, and I would assume brings a lot of depth and meaning to your life. Could you differentiate mass-market vs lovingly handmade beef jerky? Or do you want to spend the time researching the precise-to-certainty best vacuum cleaner (ha, did that subconsciously) for your specific apartment, average particulate size and volume and texture?

I’m really trying not to make a value judgment here—tbh I also care a lot more about artistic integrity (in the arts I’m in a place to understand and judge, anyway) than beef jerky. Just landing on: the mass market is there to satisfy the majority of people that don’t deeply care about the particular slice that the mass market serves, because we’re all mortal and can’t be arsed to refine our tastes and decisions on everything.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle. I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn'…

I have enjoyed Craft (1979). Artistically might be dubious, it's a sort of genre/style parody but I think writing is better than the actual Minecraft movie.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zX-e9LRR_ko&list=PLF-4qeBB9YHk-P...

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Needs more cuts.

I saw nothing wrong with the number of cuts, seems very in line with other commercials like this. I would not have been able to tell this was made by ai had I not known it going into it.

I don’t watch commercials to know what is typical, but I just have experience that video media with lots of cuts is generally low quality and a sign to turn it off.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/@Gossip.Goblin He (they?) have a vision, and are trying to get it on the screen via AI tools. I don't think the tools are quite there yet, so I wouldn't call it "quality art", but I think it shows the direction of travel, and it shows somebody trying to use those tools to say something (ironically, the message is that the tools are kinda bad news). I'm reminded of the tipp…

It just does not feel original, or novel, or actually weird. I dunno it’s impressive but… so empty?

I think its feet stand more in written SF than filmed SF - I haven't seen anything quite like it in film, but I can point to books that seem to have influenced it. In that respect, I think it's novel. I agree with the emptiness comment. Maybe it's empty because it's so relentlessly shiny - there's not much "tonal variation".

But I do think it's a harbinger of things to come: bedroom auteurs with new tools (although they'll be surfing an absolute tidal wave of slop). The tools are going to get better; early synthesizers were pretty primitive.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

I remember an Apple ad from a while back where a hydraulic press crushes a bunch of musical instruments. Your "grey goo of the average" analogy resonates for me because these videos feel like what would ooze out if we take all relevant videos that were produced by humans and then crush them under a generative press.

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If you're defining "serious artists" as some approximation of "people who have made money with their art" then it's clear that there's a conflict of interest here. Now I happen to be in the camp that believes that AI on its own isn't really capable of producing art (but like a human creating a collage, there can be art created by humans using AI... there is artistic merit in the arrangement). I still despise that AI…

I'm simply defining serious artists as people who are serious about their art, whether they're award winning filmmakers or amateur photographers. Roughly nobody out of all those people wants to use AI. (If you want to define it as professional artists instead, then I don't even see much of a conflict of interest. Professional programmers tend to be cautiously optimistic about the new tool and are finding uses for it,…

If you consider microdramas as art (who knows what art means to people these days) then the Chinese duanju already has not just full shows using AI but also already have big hits using it.

Yes the people making these are frustrated by how much stress it puts on them (directors managing multiple shows at a time daily must be stressful af) but nobody (neither artists nor audience) are complaining about AI usage. As always they don't hate AI, they hate capitalism.

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