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Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by azangru »

hypfer wrote: post #2

This new trend of content appearing while scrolling down is so terrible accessibility-wise, I do not understand how Mozilla of all institutions would do it. Not every trend needs to be followed. Have some backbone. You receive donations to have that. ___ Apart from the website being - frankly - bullshit, the content is also - frankly - bullshit. It's just on the frontpage because the title says "open source AI".

> This new trend of content appearing while scrolling down is so terrible accessibility-wise, I do not understand how Mozilla of all institutions would do it.

Could you explain what is wrong with the accessibility of this page? All the content is included in the html payload, so it is accessible to screen readers and text-based browsers; and as for the "reveal" effect, it seems to respect user's choice of "prefers reduced motion" and is disabled when that is user's preference.

Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by hypfer »

azangru wrote: post #11
hypfer wrote: post #2

This new trend of content appearing while scrolling down is so terrible accessibility-wise, I do not understand how Mozilla of all institutions would do it. Not every trend needs to be followed. Have some backbone. You receive donations to have that. ___ Apart from the website being - frankly - bullshit, the content is also - frankly - bullshit. It's just on the frontpage because the title says "open source AI".

> This new trend of content appearing while scrolling down is so terrible accessibility-wise, I do not understand how Mozilla of all institutions would do it. Could you explain what is wrong with the accessibility of this page? All the content is included in the html payload, so it is accessible to screen readers and text-based browsers; and as for the "reveal" effect, it seems to respect user's choice of "prefers re…

> it seems to respect user's choice of "prefers reduced motion".

Cool, that I didn't check, because it is impossible to enable that setting, as it breaks _huge_ amounts of websites.

I'm not aware of a way to enable it selectively, but one could also just display the content at all times. It's a static page. It's static content. None of this makes any sense.

___

The idea behind that style of gradual reveal is probably some kind of storytelling, but the only story it tells is that mozilla is wasting donations on people with incorrect opinions that could be used on.. idk not building torment nexii?

Re: The state of open source AI

#14

Post by Alpha3031 »

cma wrote: post #10
babblingfish wrote: post #6

Speculation: open models is what will kill Anthropic and OpenAI. Hyperscalers can run the models without a licensing fee. Apple can make them smaller and put them on the device. The frontier models are an edge and a liability. They're astronomically expensive to train. Without them, their models will fade into obscurity. Their marketing depends on people believing the models are meaningfully different, as people have…

You can run the same harness on fable, opus, sonnet, and see a huge difference between them. It is true the harness is important, and openai has begun encryption its instructions to swarmed sub-agents instead of just encrypting the chain of thought, but the model is still important at this stage.

Referent of "the models are meaningfully different" reads as rather than to me, so I'm not sure why we'd be comparing Fable vs Opus/Sonnet or Sol vs Terra rather than the same against Kimi K3.

Re: The state of open source AI

#15

Post by [deleted] »

jdw64 wrote: post #7

The UI is really hard on the eyes. Personally, I think the font size is way too big, and the animation timing feels off. If this is a benchmark page and not a product page, I feel like the information should be scannable at a glance. The UX is bad.

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Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by positron26 »

Just like how the web was won?

I think Mozilla is chasing a past formula, but the projection isn't linear enough to remain consistent, and the critical parts of the outcome, utter centralization of the market dominance of the three C's, are left out of the equation.

We might get the consolation prize, a few nerds having competitive alternatives to applaud, but we will be left with the hidden costs: stagnation by bloated market leaders, consumers and businesses pouring trillions of dollars into the commercial offerings while open development wonders where money comes from, and the leakage of these imbalances into political and social spheres.

If we follow a Mozilla template and get to the peak of Mozilla's success at the web, look at what that really is. Facebook, Amazon, Google etc are orthogonal to that equation.

Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by ActionHank »

cma wrote: post #10
babblingfish wrote: post #6

Speculation: open models is what will kill Anthropic and OpenAI. Hyperscalers can run the models without a licensing fee. Apple can make them smaller and put them on the device. The frontier models are an edge and a liability. They're astronomically expensive to train. Without them, their models will fade into obscurity. Their marketing depends on people believing the models are meaningfully different, as people have…

You can run the same harness on fable, opus, sonnet, and see a huge difference between them. It is true the harness is important, and openai has begun encryption its instructions to swarmed sub-agents instead of just encrypting the chain of thought, but the model is still important at this stage.

This will only delay the inevitable. Sitting on some magic prompts is hardly the moat they need.

Re: The state of open source AI

#18

Post by amanharshx »

The design and layout made it harder to read than it needed to be.

Regardless, the inference costs dropping almost 50× is really amazing to see. And now Kimi K3 release has shown how open models are getting closer to the frontier level already. Open source AI is moving a lot faster than Anthropic and OpenAI would have expected lol.

Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by latexr »

Quick fix for the font, which many people are (rightly) complaining about.

  Array.from(document.getElementsByClassName("quote")).forEach(p => { p.style.marginTop = "20px"; p.classList.remove("quote", "reveal") })
The issue is that all of the text is a quote, and that renders enormous. That’s probably fine for a tiny quote amongst more text, but here it is jarring.

Re: The state of open source AI

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

azangru wrote: post #5
marcuskaz wrote: post #4

It appears open models were used to create this slop. That opening is so hard to understand what they are trying to say, from the font and how it's written. It took me several times rereading to even grasp. Plus the article is filled with cryptic things like: Open ships easy. Open deploys hard. What?! Is it a meta answer to "the state of open source AI" question?

From the title of a chart: > The venture-funded open-source ecosystem: total disclosed funding, USD M > Bars grow as you scroll. The bars, in fact, don't grow as you scroll. And I don't even see why they should.

> The bars, in fact, don't grow as you scroll. And I don't even see why they should.

On my device, they grow as I scroll to them.

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