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Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

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Post by consp »

staticman2 wrote: post #52
smith7018 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Apple settle? They probably want the same outcomes of the Waymo v Uber trial that forced Uber out of the market. Apple's accusations imply that every part of OpenAI's hardware effort has been tainted with Apple's trade secrets and is therefore illegitimate. They also have more money than God so they can keep the suit going as long as they want.

Uber was not forced to leave the self driving car market by Waymo's litigation. The litigation ended in February 2018 and Uber left the market in December 2020.

Cause and effect can be delayed.

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Post by fsflover »

camillomiller wrote: post #42
yomismoaqui wrote: post #18

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A quick search: APP STORE, COMPETITION, AND MARKET CONTROL - U.S. Department of Justice antitrust lawsuit Accuses Apple of monopolizing smartphone markets and anticompetitive behavior. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets - EU Commission DMA breach The European Commission found Apple in breach of the Digital Markets Act regarding steering rules. https://digital-…

A list of very normal capitalistic practices. Borderline, sometimes ruthless, sometimes opportunistic. Evil is enabling genocide in Myanmar, which Meta provenly did. Evil is voluntarily steal millions of artworks for your own benefit, which OpenAI has provenly done. Etc…

Isn't polluting the environment evil? http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-airpods-repair-recycling-imposs...

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

amelius wrote: post #71
zarzavat wrote: post #65

It's insane to cross Apple. In the worst case Apple could take the ChatGPT app down like they did to Fortnite. They are probably waiting for discovery to find out how high this goes.

Well, the EU won't allow it.

IIRC Apple have been allowed to remove Fornite from the Apple Store, they just fall foul of the EU Digital Markets Act / DMA (?) when also blocking the Epic Games Store as a route to add/sideload it.

Removing ChatGPT due to ToS violations seems like it would be ok.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

bel8 wrote: post #106
jimbokun wrote: post #72

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Maybe. Depends if they hate Apple or OpenAI more.

Apple has a decade of beef with EU. OpenAI has a lot ot catchup on the EU hate scale.

Eu person: neither. We'd rather have the Chinese.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #116
Zigurd wrote: post #100

Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…

Your comment assumes they have stolen some propietary info or trade secrets but it hasn't been determined yet that they have, no?

> it hasn't been determined yet that they have

Legally, no. Reasonably, for purposes of discussion, I think it has. The “LOL” dumbfuck who airlifted files into OpenAI isn’t particularly ambiguous [1].

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-en...

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #116

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Your comment assumes they have stolen some propietary info or trade secrets but it hasn't been determined yet that they have, no?

> it hasn't been determined yet that they have Legally, no. Reasonably, for purposes of discussion, I think it has. The “LOL” dumbfuck who airlifted files into OpenAI isn’t particularly ambiguous [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-en...

It is ambiguous still at this stage though. There's no proof he used this info at his job or that he was directed to take it by anyone (he may have thought it helpful to his career in a way OpenAI never asked for or even invited).

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Post by Danox »

deepwoods wrote: post #8

FT frames this as some aggressive escalation tactic, but document retention letters are extremely standard practice. At this point they're basically a formality, as any former Apple employee at OpenAI really ought to know by now that they could get dragged into this. Hold letters can be aggressive if you send them before you've even filed a complaint, but if anything, Apple is late to the party with these.

They’re not late to the IPO party, which was postponed by OpenAI, It may turn out that that was a mistake. OpenAI probably should’ve gone ahead, particularly in light of the pending court case.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

lowmagnet wrote: post #28
pembrook wrote: post #15

I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the wrong, Apple has such a massively dominant hardware business (some might say monopoly level in some areas) that for them to be publicly acknowledging how scared they are of OpenAI…it’s just…pathetic. They’re a $5T company and can’t muster up the motivation to ge…

In what case is apple a monopoly?

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Post by twoodfin »

trollbridge wrote: post #59
lowmagnet wrote: post #28

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In what case is apple a monopoly?

Some people think that being the exclusive supplier of iOS based devices is a “monopoly”.

Also, I’ve observed a rhetorical trend among the “anti-bigness” crowd towards defining “monopoly” down:

“You may think a monopoly is an overwhelmingly dominant position as a supplier of a good or service, but that’s just naive popular economics! Acshually, according to the latest economic theories (by economists who share our politics), a monopoly is any firm that is big enough to have market power—like pricing power—to do things that can harm a competitor unfairly.”

Us dummies will keep calling that competition.

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