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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by intrikate »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #466
tejohnso wrote: post #450

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> A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon I should hope that a "talented" creative "with a vision" could, do better, yes. But now a talentless hack devoid of vision can do something half decent too. And if you don't think this is half decent, just replace "now" with "soon".

We all know that tasteless junk media would never be successful, this is why you only find high quality media on the internet and only high quality media gets popular in the mainstream. That sounds right, right? Seriously, the nudge for artistic value can be made, although I would very much doubt a creative human making a video for an established song with a clear theme would do better in creativity. Perhaps the one…

> The average consumer is basically a vacuum cleaner.

Yeah, this has been the hardest pill to swallow, as a creative and person that enjoys art. They know it's all least-common-denominator bullshit and they like it anyway. A lot of people truly just don't care about the meaning or any message in the art, they just like explosions and pretty people.

And that's fine, I guess. There's nothing wrong with it. It just... makes me feel a little empty inside.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by jcelerier »

spaqin wrote: post #311
scrollop wrote: post #298

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As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

Art isn't just the screenplay, or a prompt; it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department. And it may change during production. And effort. If it's easy, it's easily reproducible and not worth that much. And novelty, that's something current models aren't capable of. That's why Jarimoquai's Virtua…

> it's the clash between reality and the intent (whether a location or practical set constraints), the individual skill of everyone involved, costume and prop department

That's not art, that's the limitations that everyone working in this industry have been working night and day to overcome for hundreds of years

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by theplumber »

hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

The hooks are more important than the quality. The whole short video stuff is designed to be filled by AI slop.

Even the long video format (I.e movies) are in big trouble due AI because the cheap/junk stuff they produce (I.e Netflix style ) will be easily produced with AI.

Not to mention that people will have the option to no longer subject themselves to the lecturing of various political crap that is being delivered through the big media producers(I.e Netflix)

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Post by recursive »

tejohnso wrote: post #444
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #358

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That depends on your own standards to be honest. Here's a video from Meshuggah which is a camcorder recording of them emoting in a camper van - that's half an hour of work, a few hours of editing tops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ My point is, anyone can make a music video on any budget or level of talent. And camcorder silliness is more artistic and entertaining than AI generated stuff any day of the…

I found the OP AI videos much more entertaining than this camcorder silliness. It was interesting to see how literal the AI interpreted the lyrics, but then sometimes took the liberty to add clips of synchronized dance moves which actually seemed like a good match for the tempo. And each shot was different and engaging in some way. I tired of watching a bunch of grown men thrash around like idiots in a cramped van af…

Interesting. One of my biggest surprises from all this was that the timing of the dancing seemed significantly wrong. I would have thought that would be one of the easiest things.

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Post by bubblegumcrisis »

qbit42 wrote: post #467
bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #445

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"I was an art major and switched to CompSci purely for the money." Translation: Not an artist. I worked for 30 years as a pianist. The number of programmers who have told me they too are a musician... No- you aren't. And you never were. That's the thing, if you were a musician, you would be playing music. That would be your job. I mean as a hobbyist, yes, sure, enjoy splashing paint and calling it art, but spending t…

I agree with some of your characterizations here, but I don’t think it is fair to say that if you are not currently a professional artist, you were never a true artist. People get unlucky, have families to support, etc

Sure, if you devote yourself to art, you commit, and I'm not talking some insulated school environment, to improve and struggle, and then you burn out. Yes, this is a well known path for an artist. They failed, but they are still an artist. They are a failed artist, and this is actually a proud title to wear.

Someone who decides, "I'll be a programmer for money," was never an artist. Someone who studies music in college and does admin for some company is not a "musician" and never was. It is the journey in art that makes the artist, not playing a piece.

Unfortunately art is just like that. The amount of time required in devotion to the skill is truly staggering and humbling. And then, it's never enough.

I don't know.

It is possible to make this commitment while working in some unrelated field, but it takes tremendous will-power. Charles Ives is an example I suppose.

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Post by __alias »

saaaaaam wrote: post #41

These are awful. It’s like Suno music. Seems convincing if you half listen. As soon as you pay attention you notice all the cracks.

I've had some real success with Suno. There's one song I made as a joke which is a house track with lyrics about me and my friends which I've genuinely downloaded and listen to regularly.
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