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Re: Minikotlin

#11

Visibly claude produced website. No link to code. Is the expectation that people write kotlin in their browser? How do people work this into their development workflow? Is this just a neat demo?

I was expecting a a link to the source code after the "written in C".

Re: Minikotlin

#12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are they aren't a technical person and didn't build it, so wouldn't have anything interesting to say anyways. Web compilers are dime-a-dozen and LLMs can easily produce them with no active guidance. Very much in the training data[1]. This looks like just another person posting something they spent all of two minutes prompting. [1] https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-playground

So, is there a reason that your link to the official playground is dramatically more underwhelming and lacking in features compared to the from-scratch-in-C Minikotlin compiler page? You claim that the submission is uninteresting work from a lone non-technical rando and then link to / implicitly endorse a "hello world" repo from the multi-billion dollar corporation that runs the whole thing?

The JetBrains team didn't feel like prompting for a Claude UI to go with their project they wrote by hand 8 years ago, I suppose. Are you really that impressed with stock LLM-generated UI?

Note the JetBrains playground includes features that are actually useful for a code playground, letting you configure compiler version and flags, which is likely more relevant than a faux-IDE UI for the use cases people use playgrounds for. It also supports importing packages, while this doesn't. This doesn't seem like a human even attempted to use it for anything, otherwise they would have realised how lacking it is. Unfortunately it seems like people who prompt slop can't be bothered to dogfood it... or maybe pigfood it?

"From scratch in C" means literally nothing here. LLMs can output C too. It may or may not be safe, efficient C, but writing C that compiles is trivial. Prompting "write it in C" poses no greater difficulty than any other language.

Re: Minikotlin

#13

Seems to be missing the "why" over Kotlins native WASM support (which is very mature) The official Kotlin playground uses WASM, for example (JVM drop down-> choose "WASM") https://play.kotlinlang.org

I think that compiles WASM in the server, whereas this compiles in the browser.

I'd challenge the 'by hand' assertion though.

Re: Minikotlin

#14
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are they aren't a technical person and didn't build it, so wouldn't have anything interesting to say anyways. Web compilers are dime-a-dozen and LLMs can easily produce them with no active guidance. Very much in the training data[1]. This looks like just another person posting something they spent all of two minutes prompting. [1] https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-playground

So, is there a reason that your link to the official playground is dramatically more underwhelming and lacking in features compared to the from-scratch-in-C Minikotlin compiler page? You claim that the submission is uninteresting work from a lone non-technical rando and then link to / implicitly endorse a "hello world" repo from the multi-billion dollar corporation that runs the whole thing?

The Kotlin/WASM work is in the main repo. This submission has no source code and barely any technical detail.

Re: Minikotlin

#16
post #15

Really looking forward to when we advance past the "Design — by Claude" phase.

Perhaps never, Claude will just be replaced by something else, and eventually we’ll have the Amish of AI

Re: Minikotlin

#17
> One pass, all the way down to bytecode

> hands off to two of its own IRs before writing WASM-GC by hand

So it's not "one pass" lol. Do you know what a pass is?

Not that it matters - this AI is claiming "one pass" as though that's a good thing, but it's usually not. One-pass compilers can't typecheck forward references.

Re: Minikotlin

#18

Visibly claude produced website. No link to code. Is the expectation that people write kotlin in their browser? How do people work this into their development workflow? Is this just a neat demo?

Its got that Claude Design thing about it, but it's pleasant, I don't mind the generated designs at all...
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