General Aviation pilots are apoplectic and circulating a petition: https://www.flyingmag.com/starlinks-pricing-shift-a-bait-and...
That's a different matter entirely.
Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k
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#222>SpaceX has also increased the price of its Starlink Aviation equipment to $200,000 per business aircraft, up from $145,000 last year. ouch.
I wonder how this compares with non-starlink aircraft ISP? Was/Is Delta using something else? Their internet has been good for a while.
Most of the cost is in installation
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#223isn't Amazon LEO now available or very soon at $60/month? https://old.reddit.com/r/AmazonLeo/comments/1uupd3w will they offer aviation suitable plans?
No it isn't, yes they will.
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#224As I write this, I'm disputing a charge from Starlink because when I activated mine, they automatically started the free trial for me, but nowhere in the receipt or on their website did they say they would switch me to the most expensive plan after the free trial was over. And they made it extremely confusing to cancel my free trial. So I ended up being charged $120 for something that I had just opened out of the box…
This isn't how Starlink billing works.
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#225As I write this, I'm disputing a charge from Starlink because when I activated mine, they automatically started the free trial for me, but nowhere in the receipt or on their website did they say they would switch me to the most expensive plan after the free trial was over. And they made it extremely confusing to cancel my free trial. So I ended up being charged $120 for something that I had just opened out of the box…
Apple Card aka Goldman Sachs is notoriously bad at handling disputes. They were fined $89 million for mishandling disputes, yet they continue to reject disputes offhand [1]. I no longer use Apple Card other than for Apple Store purchases. [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/archive/newsroom/cfpb-orders...
He has a misconception of how Starlink billing works.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's increasingly a niche product. I'd argue it is going to go the other way. It is going to find more and more broad usage over time.
There's going to be more and more use cases, but only in select geographical areas. There's no real reason to pick Starlink over e.g. 5G, when 5G is cheaper and cover 99% of your locations. You can then pick Starlink, microwave, or 2G (if you don't need a lot of data) for those special cases where 5G doesn't have coverage. Then you have the truly remote areas where you have no choice, it's Starlink or OneWeb, but tha…
The U.S. recreational vehicle market is valued at approximately $23.57 billion and accounts for nearly 92% of the North American market.
Seems like an opportunity to me.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Won't someone think of the aviators!!
Brand-new Cessna planes were selling for roughly 2x the US median annual income in the 1960s. Today that number is at around 5.5x. I've always wanted to fly my wife & kids in a plane, but I just can't afford a high-maintenance luxury asset that costs as much as a house, and fuel costs are prohibitive as well. so yeah, if someone could mass-manufacture an FAA MOSAIC-certified light-sport aircraft with >2 seats, that c…
ur wife and kid will want in flight wifi
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Under Carr's leadership, Musk's rocket company has effectively been given carte blanche in its efforts to roll out its orbital Starlink broadband service to more Americans This article is profoundly disturbing. The audacity to think the government has _allowed_ people to voluntarily purchase Internet service from a provider capable of servicing their geography. As if this is an assumption to be broken! I’m sure gla…
What's the alternative? That anyone should just be able to be free to launch whatever into space or build whatever towers and have it blast whatever RF emissions it wants whenever and however? Sounds like a quick way to make the bands entirely unusable. I'll go ahead and start a wireless home internet service. I'll just set my transmitters to 1575MHz, that'll be fine, its nice and quiet.
Except that’s not the argument being made or the problem being presented. The FCC does exactly what you asked by namesake, regulate communications.
> That's despite concerns over thousands or even millions of satellites cluttering our planet's already extremely busy orbit and the environmentally damaging rocket launches that send them up.
The article seems to be arguing that the FCC, whose namesake is exactly what you described, should be doing the namesake of the EPA and the FAA in an attempt to stop Starlink from creating a constellation.
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I agree, though honestly it starts with any of Musk's product presentation events, which, frankly are all absolutely terrible compared to what Jobs would put on. Musk is good at getting money, he is not good at product design. Jobs had amazing taste, Musk has terrible taste. If Musk has a talent beyond raising money, it can be in making bold management moves, at least that's what I hear from CEOs that admire Musk. Bu…
But he didn't design that anyway.
> he
Neither did Musk. Not fully at least.
But while both are famous for their reality distortion bubbles, Jobs made sure the iPhone and before it the iPod and before it the iMac were products worth wanting, as well as getting investment. Musk got the investment, boasted of a million deposits, ended up with about 4-5% of that as sales despite many of those being bought by his own companies.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it possible that you meant Amazon Leo? I thought Terawave was for terrestrial station backhaul.
Yes I meant Leo. But Terawave is also satellite based, it looks like.
Yes, Terawave is satellite based, but I believe it's not for moving stations like airplanes, and instead for many Gbps from point to point backhaul for data centers. This is what I thought laser-based Starlink was going to quickly move into, back in the day. A space-based Internet backbone is pretty cool.