I wonder what Jony Ive is thinking about his partnership at the moment.
Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
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Both parties will just settle. Apple already caught former employees accessing the Apple internal network with unreturned laptops after termination that’s pretty much game over.
Why would Apple settle? They probably want the same outcomes of the Waymo v Uber trial that forced Uber out of the market. Apple's accusations imply that every part of OpenAI's hardware effort has been tainted with Apple's trade secrets and is therefore illegitimate. They also have more money than God so they can keep the suit going as long as they want.
Uber was not forced to leave the self driving car market by Waymo's litigation. The litigation ended in February 2018 and Uber left the market in December 2020.
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Especially since Apple has no history of doing this—suggests this is on another level of theft. (I worked at Apple and am aware of little "theft" incidents that came and went. Obviously those little incidents never made the news cycle.)
How could you have worked at Apple during the entire Samsung lawsuit and say Apple has no history of suing competitors over IP theft?
You're right—I didn't mean to suggest they've never sued competitors. Some companies are just known to be litigious—I've never put Apple in that bucket. (And maybe I have blinders on. It's certainly fair to blame me for being biased.)
Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
#54How can I say this…? Some companies come across like a neon sign flashing "EVIL!". It's been nothing but warning signs from this company for at least a year now. I'm so happy to have nothing to do with them (having deleted my account a year or so ago). Their marketing dept is going to have to really dig to get them out of this hole they've made for themselves. The idea that I would trust any device they might roll ou…
> Some companies come across like a neon sign flashing "EVIL!". This is a perception created by your choice of media.
Probably.
(HackerNews, FWIW.)
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How about these? Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) 52 points by notRobot on Jan 1, 2021 | un‑favorite | 5 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) 468 points by ig0r0 on March 31, 2021 | un‑favorite | 291 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 Apple removes nearl…
Let’s try: > Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) Apple routinely terminates relationships with suppliers when they identify abusive practices, sometimes they’re slow about it. > Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) > Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) Apple obeys local laws > Apple's B…
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It totally could be illegal, and I don’t care. Those laws exist to entrench dominant incumbents, and make our economy less dynamic. The history of Silicon Valley and most of its innovation come from this kind of thing, and we eliminated non-competes in California for exactly this reason. Apple having a serious competitor in hardware would be a good thing for consumers all over the world. Apple’s overzealous secrecy c…
So we should "make our economy more dynamic" by encouraging IP theft which will simultaneously discourage genuine research & development?
it worked for China, no?
(and to develop 5G modem too)
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#57Apple must have hard evidence on this. I can’t believe they would take it this far without already knowing they are going to win. If they have to fire a huge chunk of their hardware employees it’s going to throw their IPO plans into chaos.
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A non profit turned into a VC business, that would be natural to get subsidies from the public and immunity in the interest of national security.
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#59I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the wrong, Apple has such a massively dominant hardware business (some might say monopoly level in some areas) that for them to be publicly acknowledging how scared they are of OpenAI…it’s just…pathetic. They’re a $5T company and can’t muster up the motivation to ge…
In what case is apple a monopoly?
Some people think that being the exclusive supplier of iOS based devices is a “monopoly”.
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… so… you’re talking about OpenAI or Apple?
Ha ha. Worked at Apple for over two decades—would not have stayed at a company I thought was evil for that long. A bully at times? I wouldn't argue with that.
What about the kids they intentionally get driven to suicide by keeping the blue bubbles for no other reason than child indoctrination due to bullying from other kids.