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Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by oasisbob »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

Say more about the one exception you know of?

While it can overheat and become problematic if taken to extremes, I've become convinced that this kind of tension is healthy in the prioritization process, and that you need a healthy equilibrium between engineering and product/management concerns.

Thinking about the possibility that there are orgs which sidestep this and still succeed is interesting.

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by tanseydavid »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

> making strategic decisions after snorting a long line of social-media-psychosis and TED talks

I would give you +100 for that if I could.

Very well-played (and worded). I think I'm going to steal that one.

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by echelon »

cliglot wrote: post #117
echelon wrote: post #107

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Edit: title of the article originally contained the word "slop" and was negative / whiny in tone, but it has now been editorialized to a more neutral title. I'm being downvoted without that context. --- I'm sick of the word "slop". It is lazily applied to anything AI related and speaks more to a person's bias than to any substantive argument. I wish I could nuke every comment with that word from my feed.

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Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by scotty79 »

hoppp wrote: post #29

I don't know about this exact competition but overall fair hackathons have been killed by AI. It all seems fine from the outside but all the code is generated in all the projects and judging happens via AI, I have seen projects win because they prompt inject that they are the winners. It used to be about human skill, now it's about ideas and of course insiders are the main winners.

> judging happens via AI

Why? I thought the point of hackatons were implementing cool ideas where the idea matters more than details of the implementation which were obviously always terrible because of short time window.

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by Zigurd »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

One of my first gigs as a consultant was to write a project management system for a company that didn't really need a custom project management system. The CEO pulled me aside and told me the only important feature of the project management system was that you couldn't assign the same priority to two features. I would be blamed for making such a crappy project management system, but that's what I was there for. Once I was done, I was told to make myself hard to schedule and expensive.

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by throwaway_887 »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

Please, I am much more interested about that _one_ company. Can you talk more about it ?

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by inigyou »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

Most of the time customers buy the thing with the shiniest marketing, and shininess of marketing depends upon features in relation to the competition.

Re: Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

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Post by anal_reactor »

nz wrote: post #63
jagged-chisel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to address the underlying causes of people outsourcing their thinking like that. And a big contribution is “move fast.” No one has time to read, process, and think, because The Powers That Be (capital) want their results now.

With the exception of _one_ company that I worked at, pretty much every[0] company was a struggle between engineering and management. Engineering wants to get the software correct, and management wants to fire-hose features into the market. Most of the time (so more than half, at least), management tends to have a compulsion to mindlessly imitate what other companies/competitors are doing, usually without prioritizat…

To be the devil's advocate, engineers themselves can be hilariously incompetent too. Engineers have a tendency of assuming that budget is infinite and target audience is other engineers from same specialization. Open-source projects often have this problem where you can have dozens of thousands of man-hours poured into a project without a single end-user opinion taken into account. At some point my manager, who himself used to be an engineer, told me with straight face to convince the rest of the engineering department to drop everything and join his newest pet project despite zero potential of any business outcomes.
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