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Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Same here. If anything, I think most here outsource too little thinking to AI. What am I supposed to be afraid of? Losing skills I no longer need to get the job done?

Why should anyone ever hire you? We'll just hire the LLM you use.

By the time the LLM operates autonomously without my input, I doubt your chances for employment are going to be any better than mine.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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> I once read Ben Franklin's autobiography. I have yet to experience any great blossoming of our relationship. I've also read it, and got to know the man that much better. It especially added a great deal of texture to the experience of visiting his home site, his church, and his grave. I'd argue that humans rarely have unique perspectives, being highly influenced by their environment and experience. And have we not…

When you read a book, you hypothesize a writer and have some kind of inner relationship with the hypothetical writer. But it's not a real relationship. It's in the words , not outside them.

I think the transmission through the medium makes the relationship with the other side.

One could certainly have a pen pal relationship where the only communication was via text. The relationship begins with the very first message.

Or a relationship with an autobiographer who spills their soul onto the page.

But if I look through the text of an AI spilling its soul, there's nothing on the other side.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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> To think that slavery, ancient or modern, is caused by relative wealth differentials reveals an abysmal ignorance of both history and human nature. I claimed no such thing, you read way too much into your missing the point. > if the Vikings (or whoever) caught you alone, or outnumbered and overpowered your hired guards Wait, I thought it was just because "some people do evil things", nothing to do with relative pow…

I'm deliberately giving an illustration that shows that relative power throughout most of history had to do with physical strength and weapons, rather than money. And if you didn't mean that slavery is caused by relative wealth differentials, then saying "... the people who treat them like slaves have even more. It's all about the relative difference between people who are alive today ..." was a very poor way of maki…

That in this context, it's about the wealth that leads to "having economic power over the people around you". That is zero sum, and the general rise in absolute living standards is as relevant to that as a comment about apples is in a discussion about Apple.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Given the power draw of the GPUs and RAM needed to run those local LLMs, I don't see them being comfortable to hold in one's pocket anytime soon. :-) Not until some not-yet-imagined breakthrough in heat dissipation is made. But a thin client that talks to the local LLM on your private network, that's already possible today. So yes, within the next 5-10 years I fully expect I'll actually want to use an AI assistant on…

Power consumption per unit of work keeps going down, too. Our pocket supercomputers are astoundingly efficient compared to what it used to take to get the same work done at relatable points in the past. We'll get there. Before we get there, we'll have network connectivity to our desktop AI boxes at home. That's pretty good, too. And if this clown-bot[1] boom is a bubble (as I believe it is), then it's just a matter o…

I'm of the same opinion re: the bubble. The dotcom bubble held on longer than I thought it would (I had been predicting that it would burst in 1999), so I'm not sure I should be making predictions as to when the rental-LLM bubble will burst. But I'm sticking with the hardware I have until memory prices finally fall again. Whether that's only because of spare fab capacity as you mentioned, or because one of the major companies has gone bankrupt and their already-purchased hardware is being sold off at fire-sale prices (perhaps to other companies, who then reduce their new-hardware orders accordingly, which again results in spare fab capacity), I'm going to buy more RAM when it's cheap.

... And I've just been agreeing with you on all points with this comment, haven't I? Time to wrap up the discussion, then: once total agreement is reached then there's not much point in continuing the discussion unless someone has something new to say, and I don't have anything new to say on this topic. See you around.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I'm deliberately giving an illustration that shows that relative power throughout most of history had to do with physical strength and weapons, rather than money. And if you didn't mean that slavery is caused by relative wealth differentials, then saying "... the people who treat them like slaves have even more. It's all about the relative difference between people who are alive today ..." was a very poor way of maki…

That in this context, it's about the wealth that leads to "having economic power over the people around you". That is zero sum, and the general rise in absolute living standards is as relevant to that as a comment about apples is in a discussion about Apple.

Ah. When that one commenter said "Wealth is having economic power over the people around you", I ignored him, because that's a ridiculous definition, not to be taken seriously. Any argument that arises out of that definition is inherently flawed, since one of its premises is false; it would be like saying "Since the moon is made of green cheese, therefore X". The definition of wealth that nearly everyone agrees with is, well, I'll just cite the opening line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth because it's a pretty good summary: "Wealth is the abundance of valuable financial assets or physical possessions which can be converted into a form that can be used for transactions." Or, to put it in simpler terms, wealth is the stuff you have that you can use to satisfy your desires. Anyone trying to make it about economic power over people is trying to redefine the standard definition for his own purposes... and that's usually a big red flag warning you of a bad argument.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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I don't know if this is a good framing. "Too much" is subjective, and every heavy AI user will assert that they're just unlocking their potential, that calculators didn't make us dumber, etc. But to latch onto the calculator argument: if you outsource adding numbers to a calculator, you're still you. On the flip side, if you use an LLM do most of your thinking, what's left? We have people here who use LLMs to raise t…

Taking the context of raising children, the ‘unique contribution’ of a lot of parents is traumatising their kids. If it’s helping us make better decisions, I don’t see how that could be worse. I think that translates to all the non creative things you spoke about.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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That in this context, it's about the wealth that leads to "having economic power over the people around you". That is zero sum, and the general rise in absolute living standards is as relevant to that as a comment about apples is in a discussion about Apple.

Ah. When that one commenter said "Wealth is having economic power over the people around you", I ignored him, because that's a ridiculous definition, not to be taken seriously. Any argument that arises out of that definition is inherently flawed, since one of its premises is false; it would be like saying "Since the moon is made of green cheese, therefore X". The definition of wealth that nearly everyone agrees with…

it is simply one meaning of the word, and you talking about something else instead a waste of time.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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LLMs are bicycles for the mind, they do not think instead of you

Bicycles don't consume the energy of a small nation.

I'm not sure how much does the total production of bicycles consume, but I don't see how it's relevant for the use.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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As Led Zeppelin once said, "you know sometimes words have two meanings". That definition of wealth is all well and good for books about how markets are magical fix-everything pixie dust. But it's not the definition of wealth that applies when used to describe a person. A wealthy person is not someone with a lot of things. That's a hoarder. A wealthy person is someone who can use their economic power to shape the worl…

>A wealthy person is not someone with a lot of things. No one made that claim. By nearly any sane metric the world is wealthier. You can verify this on sites like Our World in Data. We are healthier, have more leisure time, are less likely to die in natural disasters, etc. It's willful ignorance to define wealth in a way that wouldn't show humanity as having gotten more wealthy. You're doing harm by overlooking massi…

My father's generation had much more leisure time than my generation. When he was out of the office at 5pm work stopped. There were no laptops, slack pings, etc, etc. Vacations were longer, pensions were a thing. You could get a job supporting a family right out of high school. Things have absolutely gotten worse in the west no matter how much you want to twist the stats.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Having a very dangerous AI standoff at work, where people are debating wether or not to use a particular connection pooling / threading strategy to fix a production issue, and everyone is unqualified to answer and is instead arguing what their agent said. They are just straight up admitting they don't know anything, and advocate fiercely for their agent's recommendation. No one cares, no one tries to stop this behavi…

I am curious thought. If nobody is qualified to answer, how would your team have approached the problem without any AI?

My hope is they would have read some expert sources and gained some of the expertise required to analyze the issue properly. We don’t seem to do that anymore.
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