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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Sounds like you've tried generating such things. You've seen things people wouldn't believe. Inappropriate AI images off the shoulder of Orion, etc. Now the counter-weight over-compensation. Insisting the tool "doesn't have enough safeguards". Could it be that our AI usage innocence is related to how much we criticise the tool for not policing us enough? Meanwhile the rest of us have never seen such images because we…

This is in headlines, dude. This smear attempt is intellectually dishonest and eyeroll inducing.

You said: "I've seen it generate such things"

By your own admission, you've seen it generate such things.

Meanwhile, I've never seen it generate such things because I don't write sicko prompts, and the guardrails in place prevent such images. Most people have never seen it generate such things, but apparently you have. I couldn't be more intellectually honest if I tried.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Sounds like you've tried generating such things. You've seen things people wouldn't believe. Inappropriate AI images off the shoulder of Orion, etc. Now the counter-weight over-compensation. Insisting the tool "doesn't have enough safeguards". Could it be that our AI usage innocence is related to how much we criticise the tool for not policing us enough? Meanwhile the rest of us have never seen such images because we…

It started by school kids generating images of their peers. Researchers and police investigated this -> experts. People found out (like the researches and investigators) that its very easy to generate this type of content. Elon Musk himself though absolutly knows about this and how easy is to generate porn. Its his thing, freedom before anything else. Why would anyone tell the richest person on the planet what he can…

> "Elon Musk himself though absolutly knows about this and how easy is to generate porn."

Your claim directly contradicts Musk's statement on the issue:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350

Your claim also doesn't align with actual testing of the platform. This raises the question, why are you here posting disinformation?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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It started by school kids generating images of their peers. Researchers and police investigated this -> experts. People found out (like the researches and investigators) that its very easy to generate this type of content. Elon Musk himself though absolutly knows about this and how easy is to generate porn. Its his thing, freedom before anything else. Why would anyone tell the richest person on the planet what he can…

> " Elon Musk himself though absolutly knows about this and how easy is to generate porn. " Your claim directly contradicts Musk's statement on the issue: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350 Your claim also doesn't align with actual testing of the platform. This raises the question, why are you here posting disinformation?

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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> nothing is going to displace it because you have full control A few months back Pi was working with Gemini. But Gemini support has been removed. Pi also doesn't work with Claude Code subscription (Anthropic counts tokens used with alternate harnesses separately). So, in practice Pi is displaced.

https://pi.dev/packages/pi-claude-auth

Note that that page says it’s against Anthropic ToS to use it with an Anthropic subscription.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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You do realise that saying "SpaceX are producing and distributing child porn, not CSAM" doesn't actually make things better for them, don't you?

Personally I think AI should be treated like photoshop. If someone is creating life-like imagery of child sexual abuse that you can't determine if its real or not, then that would be the criminal action of the person producing it. Software companies should not be acting like overlords on how their software can be used. People get upset when states try to legislate that 3D printer manufacturers should detect and preve…

Sure. And SpaceX (or anyone else) were to run a child porn service using Photoshop, they should be held accountable for that too.

The tooling doesn't matter, it's the nature of the images they were generating and distributing that was the problem.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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It makes a huge memory difference.

Not really because you're not building a database or GUI app where using native elements & data structures help a lot with memory pressure. TUI renderer is the one using the memory heavily so your terminal takes the heavy lifing. If you're managing the buffers and out-of-screen context good enough, Typescript can be pretty efficient.

I love opencode but it chews through memory on my 64gb MacBook Pro. Can’t have too many long running sessions because the memory use just slowly creeps up.

It’s not about the terminal at all which as you noted accounts for minimal isage. It’s all the internal chat and history and everything else the agent tracks - all of which are smallish (and largish) strings allocated on the heap.

I don’t have the same issues with rust based tuis.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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I like that the trailing players strategy (Meta, xAI) is to open source the moat of the leaders. I think we will all benefit from it. and hopefully both the leaders and the trailing players will be much less powerful in the end.

Classic commoditize the complement, well done on SpaceX's side:

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/

Re: Grok Build is open source

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If you gave me this description in isolation, I would assume you were talking about Meta, who are not on your shortlist despite also having AI models. You've mistaken me for the guy you originally replied to. It happens, no worries, but I'm not that guy. I'm just replying to the list I saw you state. Between Meta and Google? Oh sure, Meta collects info for sure. But Meta doesn't lie, abuse, and misuse the Google Play…

> You've mistaken me for the guy you originally replied to. It happens, no worries, but I'm not that guy. I'm just replying to the list I saw you state. Oops. Yup. blfr vs b112. > And of course, gmail endlessly scanned and data snarfed, including for AI training, which is immensely beyond Meta's capabilities. That doesn't seem to to be beyond the sum of FB feed, Messenger, WhatsApp, etc? > Zuck isn't a saint, but it'…

I will agree that chat apps and feeds on facebook are a large swath of info. I just don't think it compares to gmail, and of course all the other data I've mentioned. The power of Android and even push notifications, from a data collection perspective is beyond immense. Amazon at one point stopped sending details of purchases via email, eg "we have your order" emails, because Google was snarfing data and purchasing trends from it.

We haven't even discussed YouTube here and viewing habits.

And Meta has its issues, as I've said. It's just the scope. Even though Facebook's platform has been misused by Cambridge Analytics and endless others, to the point of even causing civil wars and regime changes through the dissemination and fabrication of false, tailored news stories, that's not entirely on Facebook. That's platform enablement, and an example of available data, which is a bit to my point about Facebook not hiding what info it has on people.

I think part of the problem with US-centric definitions such as woke, is that US politics so poorly map to politics anywhere else on the planet. An example? California might be considered the most-leftish state the US has. Yet in this state, they fund the schools with... lottery money. I mean, why would anyone just fund the schools? You know, just pay for them with a solid, stable source of money so they have what they need? This appears to be a radical idea to people in the US.

Yet even the most left of US states doesn't seem to get this correct. They proudly proclaim "This lottery funds our schools!" or some such blather. Absolutely bizarre. Yes, they have funding from other sources, property taxes and so on. But why the variability? This is a core requirement.

My point is, nothing completely maps to anything I'm familiar with in terms of politics as a Canadian. And of course, we have multiple political parties, not two as in the US, and that likely has something to do with it.

And I guess this leads to their ridiculous and absolutely child like politics. There is no nuance. When discussing politics with Americans, I find it as discussing "Why is the sky blue" with a 4 year old. They don't have nuanced positions. They don't even know why they have positions. They just have... positions. And get angry if you just discuss why, and can never seem to provide real reasons behind those positions.

So it ... yes, woke and their other things aren't long held, well understood positions by Americans I think. They're just fads. They shift and morph constantly.

FABs are another issue entirely. Re terafab. It's very difficult to audit silicon. Just cutting the top off a chip layer by layer and using an electron microscope, isn't going to fully give you trust. People have been worried about their designs being modified at the fab for a long time. Ah well.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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post #577

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> You've mistaken me for the guy you originally replied to. It happens, no worries, but I'm not that guy. I'm just replying to the list I saw you state. Oops. Yup. blfr vs b112. > And of course, gmail endlessly scanned and data snarfed, including for AI training, which is immensely beyond Meta's capabilities. That doesn't seem to to be beyond the sum of FB feed, Messenger, WhatsApp, etc? > Zuck isn't a saint, but it'…

I will agree that chat apps and feeds on facebook are a large swath of info. I just don't think it compares to gmail, and of course all the other data I've mentioned. The power of Android and even push notifications, from a data collection perspective is beyond immense. Amazon at one point stopped sending details of purchases via email, eg "we have your order" emails, because Google was snarfing data and purchasing t…

Not that I would call California a left wing state, but prop 13 came about during Reagan, and it has been incredibly sticky afterwards even if it isn’t something that would pass today.

Also, schools are funded by the state rather than via local property taxes mainly because of prop 13. It’s odd by American standards, but probably more closely resembles funding models of European countries more than other states do. But I guess that is just the nuance you were talking about?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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There's some surprising stuff in this codebase. For example, https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/b189869b7755d2b48... is a "self-contained terminal renderer for Mermaid diagrams", which renders a subset of Mermaid chart types using Unicode box-drawing.

This has been my favorite coding harness of all time. The mouse works for a lot of things. Theres keybindings that confuse me, but I otherwise enjoyed it. I might wind up forking / contributing in the hopes of helping to make it somewhat better. I had built my own also using Rust but I liked their implementation much better. This might explain part of how they pulled it off.

I don't understand why these TUI are popular - isn't a regular Graphical UI better for this?
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