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The lost joy of music piracy

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Post by tonyhart7 »

ocd wrote: post #448
tonyhart7 wrote: post #85

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You couldnt be serious

I'm very serious. It's not a simple matter to get any sort of exportable data from these cloud services, and they won't bother to notify you that media that was on your playlist or in your library has been removed. I gave Apple Music a try for about a year. and even that relatively small migration was hellish. I have an easy time managing a playlist through the many available audio player frontends writing to an .m3u…

no one gonna delete your playlist, stop making shit up

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Post by bobdvb »

beloch wrote: post #498
eisa01 wrote: post #51

It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. There is still a need for music piracy Even albums mentioned in the Norwegian business magazine D2 can be impossible to find in legit channels. Your only option is to buy used CDs on Discogs for 50-100 USD, or know your way around the successors of these sites These CDs weren’t even on Oink or What (or did…

Some music is a lot like abandoned video games. It can sometimes be tricky to figure out who owns the rights and, even having done that, more difficult still to track them down and get their permission. Also, it's not a given that the answer will be, "Yes.". If you ask an obscure artist to fill out forms and jump through hoops for 6 cents in streaming royalties, they may tell you to piss off. There are likely many al…

There was a black and white fantasy TV show called "Adam Adamant Lives!" from the 60s. The BBC always wanted to re-release it but the original contracts for the show were written when no one ever considered re-runs and physical releases. The BBC didn't have rights from the original actors for anything other than the original broadcast. And one of the actors who appeared in a few episodes didn't want it to be shown again, even if they were paid, the BBC didn't want to release a box-set without all the episodes. Eventually they just waited until that actor died and they were then able to release it.

I'm lead to believe that in music there are some similar contractual issues. The rights for some artists were for radio, and physical media, but no one considered streaming or downloads because those things didn't exist. So they have to go back and tidy up the contracts to cover their asses. And it doesn't just have to be the headliner on the recording, you may need to get every performer/contributor.

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Post by marysol5 »

devonsolomon wrote: post #112

The thing I miss most, and the thing we’ll never get back was the cultural buy-in and network effects. My music discovery then was different friend groups incrementally amassing large collections of albums in whatever sub-culture that friend groups had doubled down on. My iPod would be the culmination of my friendships. I would then fall in love with bands and albums and tracks on these albums without any influence b…

Have you thought about sharing Spotify playlists with your friends?

I mean you can find other peoples shared playlists too. You have more ability to do what you describe now, than you did then

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Post by marysol5 »

kylestratis wrote: post #490
devonsolomon wrote: post #112

The thing I miss most, and the thing we’ll never get back was the cultural buy-in and network effects. My music discovery then was different friend groups incrementally amassing large collections of albums in whatever sub-culture that friend groups had doubled down on. My iPod would be the culmination of my friendships. I would then fall in love with bands and albums and tracks on these albums without any influence b…

This has never gone away though, you just chose to stop doing it. I go to local shows pretty frequently, have made tons of friends (in bands and not) in the process, found new bands - some that produce an EP and breakup, others who chug along locally for years, others who tour nationally regularly but stay playing intimate shows here at home. I've discovered so much wonderful music and even better people this way, it…

Yeah their complaint seems to be "I don't socialise with my friends enough" rather than some platform specific change

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Post by marysol5 »

eisa01 wrote: post #51

It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. There is still a need for music piracy Even albums mentioned in the Norwegian business magazine D2 can be impossible to find in legit channels. Your only option is to buy used CDs on Discogs for 50-100 USD, or know your way around the successors of these sites These CDs weren’t even on Oink or What (or did…

Neither do pirates, even less so because it's P2P. LOTS of dead torrents out in the world

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Post by marysol5 »

fl4regun wrote: post #499
throwaway2037 wrote: post #438

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> Even albums mentioned in the Norwegian business magazine D2 can be impossible to find in legit channels. I'm confused. Spotify wouldn't work?

spotify doesn't contain every music album released.

Nothing does

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Post by marysol5 »

DaanDL wrote: post #75
eisa01 wrote: post #51

It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. There is still a need for music piracy Even albums mentioned in the Norwegian business magazine D2 can be impossible to find in legit channels. Your only option is to buy used CDs on Discogs for 50-100 USD, or know your way around the successors of these sites These CDs weren’t even on Oink or What (or did…

What I also miss on Spotify: live mixes.

themixingbowl.org is a good tracker, lots of radio rips on there too

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Post by marysol5 »

teach wrote: post #466
charcircuit wrote: post #442

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Just because you can't stream it, that doesn't justify piracy. I buy the CD for music I want to listen to but can't stream. The idea that you are forced to pirate is made up.

I agree with you that you are never "forced" to pirate; you can simply not listen to the missing album. But many many many many excellent albums are not available for sale anywhere at any price. They essentially do not exist, except in the hands of a few collectors. The bands themselves, the creators of said music, want their music to be heard. The fact that they aren't available for sale or streaming is often becaus…

Disagree on the last part, there's plenty of bands that only ever released on CD. Films and Documentaries that only went out on DVD, or even worse. Only ever shown at film festivals and never had actual releases.

I've never understood that last one.

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Post by marysol5 »

bugufu8f83 wrote: post #159
lopis wrote: post #138

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> Streaming is how everyone consumes music these days It's pretty dangerous to assume that what you do is what everyone else does too. > so everything new gets released there Previous comment was probably referring to older music.

If you take issue with the claim that everyone streams music these days than the only way I can understand your comment is by assuming we live in vastly different cultures. Certainly in the US everyone uses streaming to listen to music. This random article claimed that 90% of American adults regularly stream music online, for example: https://cybernews.com/news/us-internet-users-music-streaming...

90% of ADULTS! Is a really incredible statistic. Not just "Music listeners" but everyone else..

Also of course it also includes playing from Youtube

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Post by marysol5 »

bugufu8f83 wrote: post #154
Gander5739 wrote: post #106

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Do you think the difference between film piracy and music piracy is inherent, due to the differences between film and music; or is there some alternative reality where we ended up with a one-stop shop for films, as well? For the history of music piracy, I found" How Music Got Free: The End of an Industry, the Turn of the Century, and the Patient Zero of Piracy" was a good book to read.

That's an interesting question. I'm not sure. We sort of had that one-stop shop experience with Netflix's DVD service, where you would pay a subscription fee and in exchange you would get to watch movies from a huge catalog. But this didn't translate to the streaming era. P2P film piracy, at least for the quality-minded, has a few strong competitive advantages over film streaming. It doesn't have to deal with rights…

But physical DVD rentals is even more restrictive than a streaming library. You'd literally hit a physical limit on the number of patrons at any one time.
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