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Re: Pseudpocalypse

#61
The best mitigation a person has is to have an LLM 'flood the zone' with slop based on her writing style.

So she has one comment on the internet admitting she cheated on her taxes, another copping to an axe murder, another revealing she's the one and only D B Cooper.

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#62

See the classic Gwern post: https://gwern.net/death-note-anonymity Which quotes Tao on using deliberate disinformation to preserve anonymity. > …one additional way to gain more anonymity is through deliberate disinformation. For instance, suppose that one reveals 100 independent bits of information about oneself. Ordinarily, this would cost 100 bits of anonymity (assuming that each bit was a priori equally likely to…

I was thinking this. Why not just lie? Come up with personas, stack them on other personas, and eventually you're pretending to be a 23 year old Asian man from California who is pretending to be a 50 year old New Zealand carpenter and half the bits are muddled.

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#63

I know I'm a weirdo, but I've been posting under my own name since the 90s. I guess I always figured that nobody gives a shit who I am.

There's plenty of other people on the internet with identities worth stealing. You'll probably be fine. Still, it's not a lottery I want to play.

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#64
That gives a new reason that people should read LLM generated articles. For privacy purposes, if writing is run through Claude to add LLM-isms, then it's harder to deanonymize the writer. If Edward Snowden were posting files online, he'd want to post his writing that way too.

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#65

"Pseudpocalypse"... why not "pseudocalypse" or "pseudoapocalypse"? As an aside, it's always surprising to see how English speakers split Greek words like "Apocalypse". That is to say, they always split them in the middle of Greek syllables, or just drop letters like "pseud[o][a]pocalypse" and often in a way that ends up sounding clunky and weird even in English. Can't think of other examples now. Brain going to sleep…

"pseud" is it's own atom here, see definition 2 in https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pseud It's not trying to say "something like an apocalypse" it's saying "an apocalypse of pseuds"

Yeah, pseudpocalypse would be Substack going out of business or something similar.

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#66
post #62

See the classic Gwern post: https://gwern.net/death-note-anonymity Which quotes Tao on using deliberate disinformation to preserve anonymity. > …one additional way to gain more anonymity is through deliberate disinformation. For instance, suppose that one reveals 100 independent bits of information about oneself. Ordinarily, this would cost 100 bits of anonymity (assuming that each bit was a priori equally likely to…

I was thinking this. Why not just lie? Come up with personas, stack them on other personas, and eventually you're pretending to be a 23 year old Asian man from California who is pretending to be a 50 year old New Zealand carpenter and half the bits are muddled.

What are you writing about? The real person is going to write about what they know, so when the topic of housing comes up, and they pick New York City to discuss zoning restrictions, sure it's possible they're in New Zealand or California, but it makes more sense to assume the user behind the keyboard is in NYC. The question is, for what purposes is the user trying to be unmasked? In the world we live in, the entirely boring purpose is to sell them ads.

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#67
post #53

To achieve this level of total surveillance it would trillions and trillions of dollars to be invested in a massive roll out of data centers. I just dont see it happening.

> I just dont see it happening. It is though.

I’m 95% sure that was sarcasm.

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#68
a lot of these comments have no understanding of basic statistics. for example, did you know, at just 30 words of grammatically acceptable text, at least in english, youre already at more possible combinations of phrasings than atoms in the universe. you cant just throw a problem like that at LLMs and expect them to "just work"

folks should also look at burrows delta - i forgot which books but some folks were able to identify a ghost writer by stylometry alone.

ive said this on many threads, you cant just have text output from an llm (regardless of style / "pseudonym") and have it be "unique" because the nature of the transformer model itself is literally present in the output words. it will be detected as llm output every time. it has to be!

for pure anonymity, i suppose then it is an answer... for the actual craft and art style of writing it is not

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#69
post #54
post #53

To achieve this level of total surveillance it would trillions and trillions of dollars to be invested in a massive roll out of data centers. I just dont see it happening.

Right now… it would have been science fiction 10 years ago and not a trillion dollar problem.

10-15 Years ago it was a was a really fun limited Comic series by Brian K. Vaughan, Marcos Martin and Muntsa Vicente, called The Private Eye. About a world where the Cloud had Burst, and leaked 100% of everyones information, leading to an internet less society where eveyone goes around wearing disguises. https://www.digitalamerica.org/cloud-burst-review-brian-k-va...

Re: Pseudpocalypse

#70
I wonder how this would work if, for example, someone who never uses AI for writing decides to sometimes use AI for a sentence or string of sentences here and there. Or vice versa, an AI addict makes themselves hand write half the sentences sometimes.

Basically, putting a pebble in one's shoe to fool gait recognition, what's the equivalent thing for defeating stylometry?

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