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Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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There is a market shortage of helium but shouldn't be: There's also helium in methane, but unfortunately few places crack out the helium from natural gas. TIL Helium kills Kudzu and powers fusion power plants.

> Helium kills Kudzu

That right there is reason enough to try to synthesize it in massive quantities.

Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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√(G × mass÷radius) [escape velocity] = v_e × ln(m_0 ÷ m_f) [Tsiolkovsky] Impossible to tell how much extra mass you need but it's exponential . Adding a unit of v_e [effective exhaust velocity] to escape velocity means you need 2.717 times as much fuel in an ideal rocket. Earth escape velocity is 11000m/s ignoring atmosphere (which is not ignorable). If the new planet is 6x mass and 2x radius then √3 times escape vel…

Don't these estimates assume launching from the surface, fully via rocket? On Earth, having air breathing stages to gradually build up speed, or using other launch mechanisms, isn't worthwhile because rockets are more cost effective here, but those tradeoffs change if you're on a planet with higher gravity and a denser atmosphere.

You still need to get to escape velocity that doesn’t change the delta v required does but not by that much you are looking at 5-10%. Maybe a bit more if the atmosphere is really really thick.

Unless you skip chemical rockets altogether there is a pretty hard cap on how much bigger a planet can be than earth before a space capable civilization becomes almost impossible.

Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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There is a market shortage of helium but shouldn't be: There's also helium in methane, but unfortunately few places crack out the helium from natural gas. TIL Helium kills Kudzu and powers fusion power plants.

It is the four layers of resources, each one is smaller than the next.

1. What is the total theoretical resource?

2. How much of it do we actually now the location of

3. How much is technically recoverable?

4. And most importantly, how much is economically viable?

The last one is really the crux of the problem nowadays, there is a lot of helium but most of it just isn't in a high enough quantity to make the investment to built processing for it. Thus most of it just float off into space.

There will come a point when the price hits high enough to justify the cost but that also means higher costs to the end user.

Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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There is a market shortage of helium but shouldn't be: There's also helium in methane, but unfortunately few places crack out the helium from natural gas. TIL Helium kills Kudzu and powers fusion power plants.

> Helium kills Kudzu That right there is reason enough to try to synthesize it in massive quantities.

When you're done with it can I borrow your particle collider capable of mass synthesis of helium

Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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> Helium kills Kudzu That right there is reason enough to try to synthesize it in massive quantities.

When you're done with it can I borrow your particle collider capable of mass synthesis of helium

Alpha particles are essentially Helium, so by breeding large amounts of highly active alpha emitters you can produce Helium much more effectively than by fusion.

Re: Helium escaping from atmosphere of nearby rocky exoplanet in a habitable zone

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There is a market shortage of helium but shouldn't be: There's also helium in methane, but unfortunately few places crack out the helium from natural gas. TIL Helium kills Kudzu and powers fusion power plants.

The OP is about helium on an exoplanet. That's unlikely to impact helium supplies on Earth.
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