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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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I wouldn't be surprised if models were optimizing for rendering SVG pelicans at this point

every ai release thread seems to have this same sequence of comments

Including this comment :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48851278

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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What makes you think they have less resources?

Fewer GPUs and much smaller teams.

This, essentially. Especially in compute I don't think it's debatable they have less resources than the frontier labs in the west.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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These benchmark numbers are insane. The days when China was 6 months behind are over? How are they doing this with so much less resources than the US??? I have so much respect for the researchers there

Mythos/Fable-class models have been around for at least 4 months internally in the US, and Kimi still isn't quite there, so I'd say the 6-months is still about right.

This is fair, with the caveat that we don't know for how long this model has been around internally in China either. So we can only go about appearance / releases.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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post #321

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These benchmark numbers are insane. The days when China was 6 months behind are over? How are they doing this with so much less resources than the US??? I have so much respect for the researchers there

I'm not sure where "so much less resources" comes from. Training the best model has nothing to do with having the most NVIDIA GPUs around. If that were true then xAI would have the best model. It comes down to the quality of data, research, and financial backing.

Obviously it comes down to that, but you can't make the claim that GPUs aren't a huge part of it. Otherwise, billions wouldn't be getting invested into them in the west, no? And "financial backing" essentially boils down to the researchers, which boils down to the quality of the data and research, and to compute. I do think they have really smart researchers, obviously — otherwise this wouldn't be possible.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3 95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.) I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

I wouldn't be surprised if models were optimizing for rendering SVG pelicans at this point

It was in the release presentation for GPT 5.6, they acknowledged the simonw test and then rendered one.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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post #415

> Chip Design > As an early proof of concept, Kimi K3 designed a chip to serve a nano model built on its own architecture. In a single 48-hour autonomous run, K3 built, optimized, and verified the chip using open-source EDA tools on the Nangate 45nm library. Within 4 mm², the chip closes timing at 100 MHz and sustains over 8,700 tokens/s decode throughput in simulation, packing 1.46M standard cells, 0.277 MB of SRAM,…

I had a thought a while back: sell large local models burned onto fused compute / ROM chips. Like cartridges for old game consoles. Slot (or probably plug into USB-C) and go. It’s an ASIC with the model wired into it so it’s very low power and fast. I’d buy these. Say $100 for a frontier class model. Maybe more.

I'd absolutely buy these chips as well.
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