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Post by codethief »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #473
sirn wrote: post #440

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The first issue is due to the assumption that character count equals character display width. Thai tone markers usually[1] should not contribute to the display width (เพื่อน is chars = 6, width = 4), so it caused a layout shift. The second issue is due to the program's layout engine not adjusting the glyph width of a fallback font to that of the main font. A lot of terminals do this, but it's not common for text edit…

That test looks pixel perfect in Chrome Android.

Same in Firefox for Android!

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

KingMob wrote: post #567
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #500

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Them attempting to claim something in a lawsuit doesn't make it a fact. Nothing mentioned in those claims is CSAM.

xAI literally says in their own lawsuit, "Defendant breached the xAI Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy by leveraging Grok to generate non-consensual sexually explicit images and CSAM". "CSAM" is literally right there. If you think know better than xAI itself, take it up with them.

Twitter and Musk don't get to define USA law no matter what you think.

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Post by lovich »

alex1138 wrote: post #391
lovich wrote: post #351

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No man, I’d you had just said > I was willing to give him a pass… That could be logically consistent given how he is more censorious than the previous management, but you said > I was willing to give him a pass (still am)… That means you are giving him a pass on having more censorious behavior than what the group you disliked did. That just comes off like you’re biased and trying to hide it. I don’t think you’re gett…

I don't think you're allowed to define what good faith is if you can't read my mind And I don't even know what they censor now, it's just that the old system was more publically known Please don't be intentionally irritating

It was more publicly known because Musk made a big deal about the “Twitter files” which were a big nothing burger hyped up by musk and a bunch of journalists like Matt Taibi who were being led around by their nose by Musk. I remember watching an interview with two of the journalists in question and they were adamant that they had seen everything because they sat down with Musk and one of his engineers and the engineer made custom sql queries for whatever they asked and then gave them the results of the query. They would not accept that the engineer could have modified the query or the database could have been modified before they even started the interview. They just accepted Musks narrative completely.

I’ll grant that you may be on good faith but if you have a strong enough opinion on the level of censorship under the previous regime to give Musks behavior a pass, but don’t know anything about his current massive amounts of censoring and narrative shaping, then you are speaking confidently from a point of ignorance and that will garner as many downvotes as being in bad faith.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by r0b05 »

wyre wrote: post #644
phillipcarter wrote: post #196

This is an incredible amount of code for what it offers. I don't think this was intentionally designed at all.

For anyone wondering: Grok Build is 1.35 million lines of Rust. Codex is 1.16 million lines of Rust OpenCode is 593k lines of Typescript Pi is 219k lines of Typescript Hermes-Agent is 1.4 million lines of Python and 300k lines of TypeScript. OpenClaw is 5.9 million lines of TypeScript (wtf) (all figures include tests, comments, and blanks, calculated from scc's Code column)

Never change, Pi

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Post by xp84 »

brokencode wrote: post #615
xp84 wrote: post #409

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Wait, you think not giving additional aid = responsibility for whatever happens in the developing country? Does this blame go for the rest of the year, decade, or century? Does giving aid in the first place automatically trigger this? If I gave $500 to kids cancer research every year for 5 years, and then I don't give this year, do I have blood on my hands every time a kid dies of cancer from now on? And if you didn'…

I don’t know, does global cancer research shut down when you stop giving the $500? Do kids immediately stop receiving treatment? USAID literally ran ambulance systems that shut down due to lack of diesel. They delivered lifesaving drugs that stopped. We made commitments to communities to run these services, then suddenly killed them off. We didn’t try to find other countries to step in. We didn’t try to get the local…

But if we never had, those deaths would have been happening that whole time, wouldn't they?

Unless you're saying that the aid being there in the first place was actively discouraging any self-sufficiency by the sovereign governments who are actually responsible for those areas... in which case I can see why some people (both in the West and the developing world) oppose foreign aid in the first place. Even if we passed the baton around to other countries, the band-aid will still have to be ripped off at some point.

I'm actually not anti-foreign-aid entirely, I think in addition to the humanitarian benefits which I do value, when done well it helps project soft power, giving normal people a concrete counterpoint when extremists like Islamists try to claim "America is an evil empire that hates you and wants you to die." So in that way I don't endorse eliminating USAID... I admit that mainly it was a circus trick to try to hand supporters a concrete W for the vibe of "America First" and/or "Saving Money"

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Post by brokencode »

xp84 wrote: post #676
brokencode wrote: post #615

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I don’t know, does global cancer research shut down when you stop giving the $500? Do kids immediately stop receiving treatment? USAID literally ran ambulance systems that shut down due to lack of diesel. They delivered lifesaving drugs that stopped. We made commitments to communities to run these services, then suddenly killed them off. We didn’t try to find other countries to step in. We didn’t try to get the local…

But if we never had, those deaths would have been happening that whole time, wouldn't they? Unless you're saying that the aid being there in the first place was actively discouraging any self-sufficiency by the sovereign governments who are actually responsible for those areas... in which case I can see why some people (both in the West and the developing world) oppose foreign aid in the first place. Even if we passe…

Maybe the deaths would have happened, or maybe these places would have become self sufficient or received aid elsewhere. There’s really no way to know.

But we committed to providing this aid. Even if we think it would be better in the long term for others to do it instead, there’s no excuse to cut it off suddenly without making reasonable efforts at a transition.

Imagine you’re the long term caretaker for a family member, then just decide one day you’re tired of it, so stop. You make no attempt to find somebody else to take over, you simply stop bringing them their meds/food or whatever.

Do you think your family should then forgive you after grandma dies? I don’t think so.

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Post by killix »

accrual wrote: post #182
whimsicalism wrote: post #153

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why pi over opencode? earnestly curious, trying to figure out what open solution people are consolidating on. (codex is also pseudo-open but contributions closed and nice)

Most of my harness experience is with Claude Code and Pi, a little bit of OpenCode. I like how quick and snappy Pi is, it feels like a minimal harness, just enough to manage the agent and get out of the way. Earlier models also seemed to have an easier time working with the tools, e.g. GPT-OSS-20B is about a year old and had no trouble in Pi.

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Post by thedavidweng »

Sajarin wrote: post #287

Just blogged about this here[0] but at least they're not doing the usual canned PR response surrounding this. Folks are already building on top of it: thedavidweng/gork-build[1] — rebrand grok→"gork", stripped vendor telemetry, opt-out-only data retention, blocks x.ai auto-update. A "VSCodium-style privacy fork." DigiGoon/digi-grok-build[2] — "dgrok" multi-provider CLI, builds from source instead of x.ai CDN. victor-…

Thank you Sajarin mentioning my Gork-Build fork, I wanted to address some of the comments.

I agree that many of the responses in the comments are valid. It is a harsh reality that 80% of projects like this fail to gain traction and eventually fade away. However, I believe the significance of such a fork lies more in its existence as a statement. Regarding xAI, even if their current release of Grok has telemetry disabled by default, Zero Data Retention remains a feature exclusive to enterprise users rather than individuals. And Whole-repo research packaging is still controlled by their server-side settings; it isn't an option you can toggle within the software itself.

I am currently implementing more fences to prevent unnecessary data from being uploaded, in terms of long-term maintenance, one person certainly cannot build something on the scale of VSCodium, but I have drawn a lot of inspiration from that project. In the future, I want to automate Gork-Build further by turning these privacy protections and guardrails into patches. These could then be applied to new upstream Grok-Buil versions as they are released.

As for whether this project can become a daily driver for everyone, I don't think that is the primary concern. If you need a open source coding agent, you should definitely use Pi or OpenCode, there is absolute no necessity to use Grok-Build for non xAI models in the first place. But again I think its existence is vital. People need companies that demonstrate a truly open attitude and coding agents that are genuinely friendly to the open-source community, and while xAI's decision to open-source Grok-build was a great move, it isn't a community-maintained or community-built project. It remains a public snapshot of their internal monorepo, and they have disabled issues and pull requests. This is precisely why a fork like https://github.com/thedavidweng/gork-build needs to exist.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by blackqueeriroh »

sscaryterry wrote: post #115
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #108

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You’ve got to be kidding me. Last I checked, Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google haven’t systematically exterminated an entire culture of people.

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Buddy, you’re the one who jumped out of the tech box. Name a Chinese company, and the conversation is equivalent. Say “the Chinese,” and you’ve expanded to the entire country and arguably all people from China.

Learn to be precise with your language.

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