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Re: Ente – Opening Our Books

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Post by stavros »

0x6c6f6c wrote: post #58
stavros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Alex! Yes, exactly, I get that they're a fairly different category with different tradeoffs (trustless server), but also I own the server so I don't need it to be trustless. If it worked well, the tradeoff would be smaller, but as it stands it's not worth it for me over Immich.

Comparing self-hosted immich and a truly E2EE hosted platform like Ente is really odd. There are massively different trade-offs and target customers between these. Ente is a private hosted photo storage and sharing platform. Only trusted devices that can decrypt /encrypt would even be able to perform the kind of work to tag photos for face recognition, and in this category I'm not aware of any hosted alyermative that…

I agree it's not. It's just that, for someone who doesn't need the trustless architecture, it doesn't make sense to go with Ente right now, because it doesn't work as well. I could overlook the missing features if the ones that are there worked, but face recognition just got stuck for me and never finished.

Re: Ente – Opening Our Books

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Post by roncesvalles »

alberth wrote: post #37

Buffer.com is famously open as well, if you like this kind of stuff. Revenue: https://buffer.com/metrics Expenses: https://buffer.com/transparent-pricing Salaries of every employee (which seems like PII to me): https://buffer.com/salaries And more: https://buffer.com/open

Those are killer salaries for the ones not in the US. Imagine earning $160k USD in Morocco, Nigeria or Panama. 99.9th percentile.

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Post by [deleted] »

comprev wrote: post #53
gortok wrote: post #8

This is one of those vanity blog posts, a “look at us, we’re open” blog posts without actual openness, or rather, limited openness where it helps their image and not openness that could backfire. Businesses don’t operate based on revenue. They operate based on profit. They operate based on operating expenses. They operate based off of free cash flow. Showing off revenue and number of accounts is showing off a tiny po…

I once worked for a company where they operated in the red for 95% of the year as they paid for project material costs up front. The CFO was quite open about how finances worked in our niche sector. A client would pay an invoice and the balance would swing from -£20M to £0 and back down to -£15M for the next project within weeks! Revenue was in the £100Ms per annum. As someone with almost zero business background it…

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Post by arendtio »

Cider9986 wrote: post #21

Are there any other self-hostable E2EE cloud products as good as Ente? This company is great. AGPL as well.

Well, not E2EE, but I like Photoprism very much for the self-hosted photosharing use-case. In fact, I tried Ente a while ago and am always impressed by their communication skills, but from a product side, I prefer Photoprism.

I have a local instance running on a Raspberry Pi with about 149.000 photos inside.

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Post by thevillagechief »

Batman8675309 wrote: post #45
gortok wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m speaking of things I have personally witnessed; but won’t go into more detail than that, for various reasons.

Man I love this kind of "evidence" that can't be dismissed, that is ultimately just a big "just trust me bro".

Does this really need any evidence? There's lots of businesses that are in this situation, ambling along for years until they run out of runway. Not saying anything about the original blog. There are even actual fraud cases you can look up.

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Post by thevillagechief »

comprev wrote: post #53
gortok wrote: post #8

This is one of those vanity blog posts, a “look at us, we’re open” blog posts without actual openness, or rather, limited openness where it helps their image and not openness that could backfire. Businesses don’t operate based on revenue. They operate based on profit. They operate based on operating expenses. They operate based off of free cash flow. Showing off revenue and number of accounts is showing off a tiny po…

I once worked for a company where they operated in the red for 95% of the year as they paid for project material costs up front. The CFO was quite open about how finances worked in our niche sector. A client would pay an invoice and the balance would swing from -£20M to £0 and back down to -£15M for the next project within weeks! Revenue was in the £100Ms per annum. As someone with almost zero business background it…

I worked for similar company. And yes, it basically depended on the relationship with the local bank managers and suppliers. Unfortunately, it wasn't so successful.

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

Cider9986 wrote: post #20
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #16

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I found it over blown. It took me far too long looking past the ducks to find out what Ente actually does. The design team don’t seem to be interested in the product.

> Safe home for your photos This isn't clear?

Nope. Is it a service, an app? Do I have to use their app? What's it look like? Can I use the photos app, or .. what is it?

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

speak_plainly wrote: post #36
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it over blown. It took me far too long looking past the ducks to find out what Ente actually does. The design team don’t seem to be interested in the product.

If you were being fair, designers typically don't decide the website strategy or write the copy. Ente's site seems heavily optimized for a search-driven funnel – they are targeting people explicitly searching for 'photo storage.' When that's your primary acquisition channel, you can afford to be less pedantic about copy variety. They keep the copy incredibly sparse and let the context do the heavy lifting, there is a…

I sure hope you don't market apps but I suspect you do.

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Post by ikidd »

gortok wrote: post #8

This is one of those vanity blog posts, a “look at us, we’re open” blog posts without actual openness, or rather, limited openness where it helps their image and not openness that could backfire. Businesses don’t operate based on revenue. They operate based on profit. They operate based on operating expenses. They operate based off of free cash flow. Showing off revenue and number of accounts is showing off a tiny po…

>Businesses don’t operate based on revenue

Well, you have that right. But apparently they IPO based on even less.

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