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'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

It's similar to the people who block roadways to protest climate change. Usually it makes the commuters frustrated and doesn't change anything. Personally I think data centers should pay a 100% fossil fuel tax. Markets respond to incentives.

I think XR would prefer your solution as well. Still I can understand young people’s frustration when we after years and years of knowing about climate change do so little and so few laws of this type are enacted.

But I agree that their strategy is lacking. It would probably be easier to get people in general to support it if it didn’t affect them directly, sadly.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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post #12
post #7

Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

It's similar to the people who block roadways to protest climate change. Usually it makes the commuters frustrated and doesn't change anything. Personally I think data centers should pay a 100% fossil fuel tax. Markets respond to incentives.

> and doesn't change anything

It does change people that don't know about your cause against it, quite reliably as long as activism results go.

For climate change, everybody probably heard about it, so yeah.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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> Personally I think data centers should pay a 100% fossil fuel tax. Markets respond to incentives.

Yes, by changing the incentives to align with their desires.

I guarantee if a politician had a serious chance of introducing something like this that record breaking amounts of money would be poured into even a primary election these days to stop them.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s as productive as people who glue themselves to roadways. It irritates drivers/commuters (who are then more likely to have a negative view of the cause) and it slows traffic resulting in even more fuel usage. Yet, they think they are doing something good.

Yet here we are talking about the environmental impact of Microsoft data centres in NL. We wouldn’t otherwise be.

Are we talking about the environmental impact? Or are we talking about the vandalism perpetrated by activists? Attention on the protestors is not necessarily attention on the protestors' cause.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's similar to the people who block roadways to protest climate change. Usually it makes the commuters frustrated and doesn't change anything. Personally I think data centers should pay a 100% fossil fuel tax. Markets respond to incentives.

> and doesn't change anything It does change people that don't know about your cause against it, quite reliably as long as activism results go. For climate change, everybody probably heard about it, so yeah.

"there's no such thing as bad publicity" once again.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s as productive as people who glue themselves to roadways. It irritates drivers/commuters (who are then more likely to have a negative view of the cause) and it slows traffic resulting in even more fuel usage. Yet, they think they are doing something good.

Yet here we are talking about the environmental impact of Microsoft data centres in NL. We wouldn’t otherwise be.

And talking about why climate protestors glue themselves to roadways!
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