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Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by user3939382 »

mingus88 wrote: post #125
ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that the power is always with the people. We can enact any law we want

ok but who enforces the law? If you haven’t been paying attention lately, laws are only as good as they are enforced and it has become obvious that the ruling class is not going to enforce laws against themselves. The solution here is not something most people are willing to inconvenience themselves over

Laws are meaningless de jure. Especially where megacorps are concerned, the de facto law (ie the only one that matters) is the text, multiplied by the enforcement mechanism, multiplied by the political will to enforce, multiplied by the 10-15 year process of the megacorps draining their legal warchests into challenges and appeals. Then, after all that, maybe… you get a change to corporate behavior.

The laws in this country are primarily written by and for large corporations. They’re not going to meaningfully practically restrain them just because something got passed.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by inigyou »

galleywest200 wrote: post #86
tremon wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This anti-consumer stuff also applies to physical Blu-rays: each BD can contain a revocation list of player keys and distributor keys, and official players are required to update their keylists from that. Every time you insert a new disc in your player, you're playing russian roulette with your existing library.

How does that work if my player is offline? A dedicated BluRay player has no reason to connect to the internet.

Each disc contains the latest revocation list at the time of its creation. If you put in a disc with a newer revocation list, your player updates. Same thing was done on the Nintendo Wii.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by inigyou »

shevy-java wrote: post #93

Well - I actually think the problem is not Sony being malicious here, per se, but the legislation. There has to be a guarantee as if it were a physical copy, as-is. The right to repair movement has the same cause ultimately. You purchase something, you own it, no matter what counter-legalese is tried. The USA really needs to stop being a corporate-country. Weren't the republicans all about the people at one point in…

I don't think they were ever all about the people.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by cube00 »

mrweasel wrote: post #81
jmclnx wrote: post #2

And yet Sony wonders why people pirate their movies. In this case here the owners who had their movies stolen should be able to steal them back.

If you cared enough, I do wonder if you could win in court, if you pirated a movie that you purchased on the PS5, but Sony removed. It would cost you an ungodly amount of money to defend yourself against Sony, and I don't know the exact words of the "license", but it seems like a reasonable action to take.

I wonder if their use of a "buy" button would potentially weaken their case regardless of the language they put in the EULA.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by kazinator »

vman81 wrote: post #24
goldenarm wrote: post #20

IANAL, but is it illegal to have a "Buy" button that is just a disguised "Rent" button? If not, should we change the law?

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Selling someone a license, and then revoking it is like destruction of property. The injured party is owed a refund in the amount of the present day replacement cost.

It's the same as if someone sold you a toaster with a remote self-destruct feature, and then invoked the self-destruct. They owe you a new toaster.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by rvz »

fg137 wrote: post #115
trencedamp wrote: post #9

I read recently that PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse, and also Xbox has been gutted by layoffs, and there's a backlash against Nintendo for the switch 2 pricing. Is the age of the console finally coming to an end?

> PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse Source? Is that reddit? It simply doesn't make sense.

HNers continue to never know that they are in their own bubble. The same reason why Linux on the Desktop is an ongoing meme.

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

pdpi wrote: post #119
vman81 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

The problem is that we've always been buying licences, it's just that the licence used to be attached to a physical object, so transferring the licence was as easy as transferring ownership of that physical object. It's never been legal to copy a book, film, or music album and sell the copies, for example, because the licence doesn't allow it. Hence freeware, shareware, and copyleft licences.

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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by [deleted] »

pdpi wrote: post #119
vman81 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

The problem is that we've always been buying licences, it's just that the licence used to be attached to a physical object, so transferring the licence was as easy as transferring ownership of that physical object. It's never been legal to copy a book, film, or music album and sell the copies, for example, because the licence doesn't allow it. Hence freeware, shareware, and copyleft licences.

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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Post by kazinator »

iwontberude wrote: post #122
vman81 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Piracy isn’t stealing because copies don’t destroy the original

The proliferation of copies economically devalues the originals.
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