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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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IANAL, but is it illegal to have a "Buy" button that is just a disguised "Rent" button? If not, should we change the law?

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

"Stealing" in basically all common law jurisdictions requires intent to deprive the rightful owner of the property.

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California Assembly Bill 2426 (AB 2426), effective 1 January, 2025. Expands the state's false advertising laws to explicitly ban companies from using words like "buy," "purchase," "own," or "keep" if what the customer is actually getting is a revocable digital license governed by shady T&Cs.

Remember that the power is always with the people. We can enact any law we want

In democracy, power comes from demos. In capitalism, power comes from capital.

Demos doesn't have capital. People never had power. Whenever they've thought they won ... they just damaged position of someone powerful for someone even more powerful without even knowing it.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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I would say the future is cloud gaming.

Its ok for some thing but the lag is simply too much for popular genres of games.

If cloud means AWS then probably, but I think the serious cloud gaming people are generally trying to get you connected by fiber to a data center in the same city.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Its all a bit hand wavy nonsense. Own a physical copy? How long until its unplayable because either the media corrupts or the player isn't available? The only real "ownership" is the IP, everything else is just renting.

I trust the pressing on a CD or vinyl to remain readable SIGNIFICANTLY more than I trust any corporation to do literally anything, including "continue to exist".

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These are basically different markets that only compete with each other because there are finite hours in the day to engage with media, not because they’re offering variations on the same thing. It’s similar to comparing Netflix to the Criterion Streaming platform. Technically you’re doing the same thing, sitting on the couch watching a big screen, but the experience being pitched is a totally different one and the t…

They compete for finite dollars, too. There was a time when regular families had desktop computers at home. The marketing was intense, the machines were expensive, and the sales numbers were real. The PC was the gateway to all of the spoils of the internet and things were booming. Now families tend to have a collection expensive personal pocket supercomputers, instead. It's hard to justify the cost of a properly-stod…

I suspect people who've gotten any depth into both desktop and mobile gaming don't think they're even remotely substitutes.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Obviously media permanence is the best solution, but in the absence of that we just need laws that say that if the purchase isn’t time limited to something a reasonable user would consider a rental (48hrs? a week?) then companies that withdraw access rights need to refund in full the purchase cost.

People owning their own media was always a pain to these companies. They tried to make disposable DVDs at one point!

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Obviously media permanence is the best solution, but in the absence of that we just need laws that say that if the purchase isn’t time limited to something a reasonable user would consider a rental (48hrs? a week?) then companies that withdraw access rights need to refund in full the purchase cost.

> need to refund in full the purchase cost. In practical terms, the logistics of many-years-later refunds would be unwieldy at best. Do the purchase records still exist? What if I no longer have that credit card or email address? How can you prove you're the heir of the deceased? What if I now live in a country where the "deletion" status is different? And how could you stop all the scammers who smelled free money? A…

Doesn't matter. It should be up to the corporation to figure it out or else it's illegal and they get fined 300% of their total yearly revenue for each affected person.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Obviously media permanence is the best solution, but in the absence of that we just need laws that say that if the purchase isn’t time limited to something a reasonable user would consider a rental (48hrs? a week?) then companies that withdraw access rights need to refund in full the purchase cost.

What a fun balance sheet that will create. Seems easier to just exit the business.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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if you cant hold it your hands, you don't own it. used dvd and bluray on ebay are cheaper anyway. another underutilized resource - the public library - mine has a huge catalog of movies you can borrow for free.

> another underutilized resource - the public library As an indication of where things are going on this front, from the same publisher: Sony announced that games are not going to get distributed as physical copies anymore. So no new video games to be borrowed from public libraries, and even if you can borrow older games the new Playstations probably won't even have a disk tray to read them. Whatever your stance on v…

Time for libraries to start carrying hard drives full of pirated copies, I guess.
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