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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Copying something isn't stealing by any legal definition. It's copyright infringement.

"you wouldn't copyright infringe a car" doesn't have the same ring to it

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Its all a bit hand wavy nonsense. Own a physical copy? How long until its unplayable because either the media corrupts or the player isn't available? The only real "ownership" is the IP, everything else is just renting.

Why wouldn't a player be available though? CD/DVD players won't just suddenly stop working. My CDs and CD players at home from the 1990s are still working completely fine.

If they do want to posit it as this, I'd personally be fine if they said "a CD will work for 100k plays before corrupting" so you'll have 100,000 credits to stream The Wizard of Oz before you need to purchase it again.

But they need to say that upfront.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copying something isn't stealing by any legal definition. It's copyright infringement.

You wouldn't steal a baby

I wouldn't buy one either (it's been illegal in my country for ~150 years).

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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if you cant hold it your hands, you don't own it. used dvd and bluray on ebay are cheaper anyway. another underutilized resource - the public library - mine has a huge catalog of movies you can borrow for free.

If you can hold it in your hands you still might not necessarily own it. Remember DivX? (The medium, not the codec).

Remember Meraki?

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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I read recently that PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse, and also Xbox has been gutted by layoffs, and there's a backlash against Nintendo for the switch 2 pricing. Is the age of the console finally coming to an end?

> PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse

Source? Is that reddit?

It simply doesn't make sense.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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The 3dfx Voodoo1 was very mainstream (and market-defining, even). It predates the N64.

This is incorrect. N64 came out in the USA in September 1996. 3dfx Voodoo was released to consumers in October 1996.

Oh noes!

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copying something isn't stealing by any legal definition. It's copyright infringement.

You wouldn't steal a baby

It will be quite the novel legal case the first time someone makes an unauthorized copy of a baby.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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IANAL, but is it illegal to have a "Buy" button that is just a disguised "Rent" button? If not, should we change the law?

They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

The problem is that we've always been buying licences, it's just that the licence used to be attached to a physical object, so transferring the licence was as easy as transferring ownership of that physical object.

It's never been legal to copy a book, film, or music album and sell the copies, for example, because the licence doesn't allow it. Hence freeware, shareware, and copyleft licences.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Obviously media permanence is the best solution, but in the absence of that we just need laws that say that if the purchase isn’t time limited to something a reasonable user would consider a rental (48hrs? a week?) then companies that withdraw access rights need to refund in full the purchase cost.

> need to refund in full the purchase cost.

In practical terms, the logistics of many-years-later refunds would be unwieldy at best. Do the purchase records still exist? What if I no longer have that credit card or email address? How can you prove you're the heir of the deceased? What if I now live in a country where the "deletion" status is different? And how could you stop all the scammers who smelled free money?

Alternative: The gov't randomly picks 24 citizens from a pool of applicants who reasonably prove that they were harmed by the deletion. Those 24 are given legal authority to fiat-revoke all copyright protection on a "reasonable and proportional" number of the deleting corporation's currently copyrighted works. Or upstream of them, as "appropriate".

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