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Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

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Re: Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

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Post by rexpop »

tempfile wrote: post #94
theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

> no commercial use Why? It's not like they did the hard work. It's disgraceful that this kind of commons enclosure has been allowed in the first place.

Wow, thank you for this! I'd forgotten about enclosure for some years.

> The law locks up the man or woman / Who steals the goose from off the common / But leaves the greater villain loose / Who steals the common from the goose.

Re: Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

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Post by amelius »

theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

I'd rather they published the training data.

Then we can verify that there's nothing nasty hiding in it.

Re: Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

#104

Post by jefftk »

theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

> release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present

For some kinds of risk (ex: walking people through on how to make infectious bioweapons) an open-weights approach would increase risk.

Re: Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

#105

Post by philipov »

WarmWash wrote: post #98
theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

> the data they basically steal from everyone What's the precedent? All I see if a bunch of people who haven't loaded an ad in 20 years and have a 5TB collection of pirated movies and music suddenly decrying that LLM's doing next token prediction over a dataset is theft. You don't get to change your mind 20 years into "I'm never going to pay for anything binary" ethos ( cough look at what this post is cough ) that ha…

It would be all fine and good if they kept it non-commercial, but when you start charging money for it that's when you're stepping out of bounds. If they want to benefit from fair use, they should contribute their results back to the public domain. Getting it for free and then commercializing it is what's unethical.

Re: Governments, companies, nonprofits should invest in free, open source AI [pdf]

#106

Post by theplumber »

WarmWash wrote: post #98
theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

> the data they basically steal from everyone What's the precedent? All I see if a bunch of people who haven't loaded an ad in 20 years and have a 5TB collection of pirated movies and music suddenly decrying that LLM's doing next token prediction over a dataset is theft. You don't get to change your mind 20 years into "I'm never going to pay for anything binary" ethos ( cough look at what this post is cough ) that ha…

Ok then can the feds bust the executives of these companies like they did with Kim Dotcom? It’s not like Dario trained his AI in the bedroom or do a small business by letting people scrapping IP work to train their models. He is actively stealing and selling the stolen work and even preaches us safety measures: how to protect us from our own knowledge that he stole!

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#107

Post by koe123 »

WarmWash wrote: post #98
theplumber wrote: post #91

The private AI companies should be forced to release the models as open weights with a license (I.e no commercial use) due the high risk they present and the data they basically steal from everyone to train their models. This should be the safety push not the regulatory capture that Dario is trying.

> the data they basically steal from everyone What's the precedent? All I see if a bunch of people who haven't loaded an ad in 20 years and have a 5TB collection of pirated movies and music suddenly decrying that LLM's doing next token prediction over a dataset is theft. You don't get to change your mind 20 years into "I'm never going to pay for anything binary" ethos ( cough look at what this post is cough ) that ha…

I am not convinced by your retort, which essentially boils down to “some people pirate, so its ironic some people, maybe different, are mad at dario!”
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