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Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by pixl97 »

folkrav wrote: post #15
jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

Behavior being different online than in real life is not limited to kids either. Nobody on Facebook is meaner than a 60-something year old lady with a wall full of cat pictures and minion memes. I genuinely doubt that half of them would hold the same discourse face to face.

With the number of 'crazy karen' and 'crazy kyle' videos online, maybe over half of them would.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by d-us-vb »

masfuerte wrote: post #18
d-lowl wrote: post #5

>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

Schrodinger's hackers. They are simultaneously autistic and skilled at social engineering.

Autistic people are unusually good at studying patterns objectively. While each individual person is... an individual, studying a sample from a population yields patterns, and thus the justification for the "social sciences". While autistic people may struggle with in person communication and upholding norms of human interaction, they do not generally struggle with understanding game theory, motives, and other aspects of rational decision making. So they can indeed make brilliant (and ruthless) social engineers if only when hiding behind a computer keyboard.

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Post by erelong »

do you think there is a way to divert kids like this into some kind of useful programming / IT direction and if so what do you think would be the best way to handle this

(like a group that takes black hat hackers to white hat hacker projects?)

kids with like anti-social or aggressive tendencies plus maybe some tech "skillz"

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by GJim »

inigyou wrote: post #25
Steve16384 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth would the BBC want or care for people to believe that? Are they in the pay of the anti-autism league? We're through the looking glass people!

I don't know but they've been spreading this kind of thing for a while. See also how they report on the middle east.

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

>Many years back when I used to do CS for WoW, a colleague of mine liked to say that the only reason some kids shit-talk the way they do is because it's online and if they tried it in person they'd get punched in the face.

This is the #1 reason bots exist. We can't just punch them down anymore, we're flagged as bad people.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by harvey9 »

Aurornis wrote: post #11
jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

From the arrival: > Jubair has 22 previous convictions related to hacking, fraud and harassment. There’s more to what was going on here and none of us is really qualified to diagnose the psychology behind it from the details. I hope they can find some peace later in life because they are obviously not lacking ambition or ability

Lacking ability to cover their tracks.

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Post by kortilla »

erelong wrote: post #33

do you think there is a way to divert kids like this into some kind of useful programming / IT direction and if so what do you think would be the best way to handle this (like a group that takes black hat hackers to white hat hacker projects?) kids with like anti-social or aggressive tendencies plus maybe some tech "skillz"

Like putting kids that get into fights into the military.
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