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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Copying something isn't stealing by any legal definition. It's copyright infringement.

I’m just collecting training data for my AI.

authentic intelligence?

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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For more recent takes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48747389 - "Sony Deletes 551 Movies PlayStation Owners Paid For" (reclaimthenet.org)

636 points | 15 days ago | 304 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48730904 - "Sony erases digital content from libraries" (arstechnica.com)

184 points | 16 days ago | 76 comments

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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I think they still make sense for the non technical user. Having an idiomatic control makes setup far easier than on a PC and the UI for a console is designed to be used with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse. This makes dealing with a television easier. I don't see consoles disappearing ever for those reasons.

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I don’t think the appeal is just to the less technically inclined masses. I’m a developer with a MacBook Pro and a Linux workstation. Proton has come a long way, but consoles just work for the most part; I never have to question whether the game will function and perform well on the console (setting aside the random buggy messes we see).

Then there’s the convenience. I don’t want to play games where I work. I want to play on my TV. I have no interest in moving my workstation into my living room. Streaming with Moonlight works well enough, but there’s still lag. Even if I wanted to move my PC to the living room, the setup isn’t as nice. The Steam Machine has HDMI CEC and can power on with a controller — all the major consoles have had that for years.

Even if I accepted all that, no one else in my household could play anything while I’m working on my computer.

Things are a little weird now. If I’m going to have to go all digital, Steam Family is by far the best option of those with DRM. But, due to the astronomical cost of components, consoles are still pretty attractive.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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Consoles made sense as a product category where specialized graphics hardware was not generally available for consumer PCs. We have this now, every PC has some kind of graphics hardware, and has for many years. Consoles have been riding on their momentum of their brands , but the technical justification for their product category hasn't existed for 15+ years now.

Consoles don't have true 'generational leaps' any more either, the huge leaps forward in tech used to drive excitement/sales. Now we get incremental improvements, cross-generation games, and backwards compatibility. And AAA game development isn't exactly doing well these days.

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Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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IANAL, but is it illegal to have a "Buy" button that is just a disguised "Rent" button? If not, should we change the law?

I'm hoping someday this will go the same way as other companies trying to redefine "unlimited", "free", or "lifetime". I hope lawyers reclaim "buy", "own", and "purchase" from shitbag marketers back into contract law, where they have English meanings.

https://retailwire.com/t-mobile-att-verizon-fined-10-2m-for-...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/07/lawsuit-t-mobile...

At the very least, if Sony yanks your purchase, they should merely refund it in full.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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They'll argue you're "buying" a license that they can revoke when they feel like it. My feelings on the matter have been summed up by someone else more clever than me as: If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Copying something isn't stealing by any legal definition. It's copyright infringement.

You wouldn't steal a baby

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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I read recently that PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse, and also Xbox has been gutted by layoffs, and there's a backlash against Nintendo for the switch 2 pricing. Is the age of the console finally coming to an end?

I would say the future is cloud gaming.

The cloud gaming echo chamber has conveniently arrived to save the day by mimicking the solution to fix the problem the same industry created. Problem, Reaction, Solution.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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post #14

I read recently that PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse, and also Xbox has been gutted by layoffs, and there's a backlash against Nintendo for the switch 2 pricing. Is the age of the console finally coming to an end?

Consoles made sense as a product category where specialized graphics hardware was not generally available for consumer PCs. We have this now, every PC has some kind of graphics hardware, and has for many years. Consoles have been riding on their momentum of their brands , but the technical justification for their product category hasn't existed for 15+ years now.

That doesn't really make sense. Consoles have always occupied a different space to PCs, not least because they plug into living room TVs. Very few people are going to trade that for a (considerably more expensive) PC.

Gaming PCs also require specialized knowledge, more maintenance, etc etc. Consoles are pick up and go. I very much doubt they're dead yet.

Re: Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them

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I read recently that PlayStation users are moving to PC en masse, and also Xbox has been gutted by layoffs, and there's a backlash against Nintendo for the switch 2 pricing. Is the age of the console finally coming to an end?

People age out of wanting to sit in their bedroom with a handheld and become adults who have living rooms. For home gaming there will always be demand to play games on a real sized screen.

I think the steam deck proved otherwise too..

I haven't had enough motivation to sit on my couch and game after a long day ..

But the same game, in bed, on my deck was so much nicer..

All I can now say is having a dedicated device, that's not your laptop/computer to play games is definitely a market - be it Steam machine (/custom builds), hand held gaming, or just regular consoles..

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