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SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

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Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#21

My understanding is that an ideally priced IPO should not move much from the opening price in the near term. If it pops it means they left money on the table. If it drops, then I am not sure what the implication is exactly? Now I think SpaceX is massively overhyped, but is the share price returning to IPO opening not just a sign that the banks accurately estimated something?

In general terms you want the stock to pop.

Your bank will get a ton of orders from institutional investors of how many shares they want at a given price. You will have a preference as to which investors you want on your cap table. Almost all of those investors value your stock less than the "pop price" (which includes the investors you want on your cap table). So you'll need to target the IPO below the "pop price" so you get them on your cap table.

You're probably picking investors based on how likely they'll let you stay on the board / CEO and if you think they're just going to dump the stock during the IPO (which would be bad for it's price).

So (unlike the SpaceX IPO) you're going to sell relatively little shares to retail who will buy at any price which during the opening days will cause it to spike as the demand (in nominal dollars) per share is beyond the IPO price target.

> but is the share price returning to IPO opening not just a sign that the banks accurately estimated something?

Sure they estimated something. But there's a ton of different things that can be estimated.

Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#22

The IPO was meant for the VCs to cash out as all fundamentals were completely irrational, but seems like no one cares about cash flow and profitability anymore during QE times. Dumb money will keep being dumb I guess

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Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#23
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an ideally priced IPO Ideally priced from the perspective of pre-IPO investors. This seems like an argument for outside investors not to buy IPO stock.

There is no should or should not. Look at the financials and the price, and you as an individual get to determine if it's worth buying (or selling).

What do you mean by this? The person you responded to never used the words "should" or "should not", and then you basically repeated what they said using more neutral words...

What is so controversial about saying that SpaceX seems overpriced?

Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#24
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If no one cared about cash flow and profitability wouldn't SpaceX stock go up instead of down?

People cared after the IPO but initially in far less informed circles I constantly heard from lower sophisticated investors bragging about how they'd been allocated X shares like they were Pokemon trading cards they managed to snag. They weren't very sensitive to the price, only to brag to their friends they had snagged them. After the shiny wore off and no one cared about how cool they were, they sold them.

That is to be expected with any high profile IPO.

Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#25

My understanding is that an ideally priced IPO should not move much from the opening price in the near term. If it pops it means they left money on the table. If it drops, then I am not sure what the implication is exactly? Now I think SpaceX is massively overhyped, but is the share price returning to IPO opening not just a sign that the banks accurately estimated something?

Many IPOs slide below the initial price. This isn't a SpaceX thing.

If the NASDAQ changes their inclusion rules to court SpaceX... it sort of does become all about SpaceX.

Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#27

The IPO was meant for the VCs to cash out as all fundamentals were completely irrational, but seems like no one cares about cash flow and profitability anymore during QE times. Dumb money will keep being dumb I guess

The IPO featured less than 5% of shares as free float. So the investors are still in pretty deep with their hands tied until lock-up restrictions expire. The IPO was more of a quick, public financing round for their AI branch than an exit for SpaceX VCs.

Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#28
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> an ideally priced IPO Ideally priced from the perspective of pre-IPO investors. This seems like an argument for outside investors not to buy IPO stock.

There is no should or should not. Look at the financials and the price, and you as an individual get to determine if it's worth buying (or selling).

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Re: SpaceX stock erases all its gains and slides below IPO price in intraday trading

#29

Could be a great buying opportunity depending on your theory of investment.

This line of thinking could be applied to literally any company in the world, even to Spirit Airlines 5 minutes before it went out of business.
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