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British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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An increasing proportion of UK citizens are deciding not to pay for a TV licence that funds the BBC as consumption patterns have changed. The BBC will be a zombie in 10 years unless they stop being emotionally driven and sort out their funding.

Good. The BBC is no longer the shining beacon of objective reporting it once was. Let it die and be replaced by something better.

Presumably you get your news content from Rupert Murdoch, the Daily Mail and UK News?

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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It's probably not a bad idea. Steel is one of the things that an industrialized country needs to produce to protect its own sovereignty. Letting it shut down and just hope you'll always be able to import enough steel from other countries is a bad long-term strategy. You'd be left unable to fend for yourself.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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This bonmot sounded cool and fun years ago, but not anymore. It is actually OK and desirable for governments to help, to organize and to lead toward positive outcome. Governments should do more then just pay military, prisons and police. Deliberate destruction and expectation of nothing positive from the governments already caused enough damage.

It never sounded cool and fun. It was government acknowledging its own limitations. Governments don't perform better if we all cheer them on. Right now a government (Russia's) is waging war on a country. Last century governments caused untold death in socialist countries (Venezuela, China, USSR) because they were trying to organise centrally.

And now we've overcorrected and have people dying from a lack of government care.

It was indeed meant to sound "cool and fun". It was supposed to be a memorable slogan. That's why Reagan used it. Then people made it into a battle cry for letting the hyper-wealthy dismantle regulations that were often written in blood, or for explaining why we need to let people go into bankruptcy from medical bills.

Having some centralized/public ownership of some enterprises doesn't necessarily mean that the government is going to purge people or starve tens of millions.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An increasing proportion of UK citizens are deciding not to pay for a TV licence that funds the BBC as consumption patterns have changed. The BBC will be a zombie in 10 years unless they stop being emotionally driven and sort out their funding.

Good. The BBC is no longer the shining beacon of objective reporting it once was. Let it die and be replaced by something better.

If everybody thinks you’re biased, you’re probably not biased at all.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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Yes, because government run institutions like the Army and the NHS don't work, do they?

Neither of those are beacons of either efficiency or performing to standard. In fact both are chronically mismanaged.

You'd actually struggle to pick worse examples.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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Tangent: disturbing to see the BBC thinking they're going to get far by paywalling quasi-randomly in North America. At least right now it's trivial to ignore.

Tangent: disturbing to see many North American news sites thinking they're going to get far by region-blocking European visitors because they don't want to be GDPR compliant ;)

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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I'm not seeing this particular paywall, but disturbing in that the BBC is so awful and stupid at this, presumably. For many years I would have gladly paid the BBC $20/mo for some way to legally watch Top Gear and Doctor Who. That's it, just two shows and I'll give you more than I give Netflix. They never offered a single legal mechanism available to US citizens, so, well.....don't admit to crimes on the internet and…

It was offered much later than iPlayer was for the UK, but to claim they 'never' had an option for US audiences is false when they have had Britbox for almost 10 years

Not only was Britbox launched long after iPlayer and after I stopped watching both of the shows I mentioned (in fact, Top Gear in its 2002 incarnation was functionally off the air before Britbox launched), but the BBC sold their streaming rights to those two programs such that their modern incarnations were never, so far as I'm aware, available on Britbox.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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Yes, because government run institutions like the Army and the NHS don't work, do they?

Is there even a definition of "doesn't work" that exists for you with the NHS? How inefficient and ineffective does it have to be before it's considered "not working"? Because, technically, every healthcare system on the planet has some effect.

Same for the army.

Re: British Steel taken into public ownership to protect 'vital' UK supply

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Yes, because government run institutions like the Army and the NHS don't work, do they?

Aren't NHS medical workers in a constant state of protest over low wages and bad working conditions? I know the doctor/nurse brain drain from Canada and the UK to the US used to be really bad. I haven't seen what the statistics are recently.

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